Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

[Charles RB]

Whether he admits it or not he was making an implication about me personally.

No he wasn't. Many rape victims don't tell anyone and many others only tell a select few because they are indeed afraid they won't be believed or be demeaned.

[mikekerrIII]

You said chances are I know rape victims, "but they won't ever tell you because they're afraid you won't believe them. Or that you'll make jokes about it, or otherwise demeaning their trauma."

On what basis do you make the claims quoted above? That was actually one of the most pathetic attempts at a cheap shots I've ever seen.

As far as red herrings being facts, they're still red herrings. The elephant is the only mammal that cannot jump. That is a FACT, and it's completely irrelevant to what was being contested.

As a retired Senior NCO I know who much the Military tries to make even violent rape cases simply "go away" to avoid the image hit. I have seen it twice with my own eyes and know that it is a very common reaction. It imbarasses the command structure and "makes waves" so some think it must simply be covered up or ignored. that is not a universal reaction but it is very common even at the Academies. It is not like I am saying anything that is not very well documented

[USArmyParatrooper]

As a retired Senior NCO I know who much the Military tries to make even violent rape cases simply "go away" to avoid the image hit. I have seen it twice with my own eyes and know that it is a very common reaction. It imbarasses the command structure and "makes waves" so some think it must simply be covered up or ignored. that is not a universal reaction but it is very common even at the Academies. It is not like I am saying anything that is not very well documented

When did you retire?

[Jeff Brady]

Whether he admits it or not he was making an implication about me personally.

Seriously, it wasn't about you. I have no problem outright stating that I think you're a sociopath and a liar (and have done so before). I wouldn't waste my time implying anything.

You're asking for proof that the "rapist" stigma doesn't stick to someone who's accused? Thank you, that's all I needed.

You haven't proven any of your claims, as you keep insisting that others do so. I don't doubt that your claim isn't true some of the time, but if it's as prevalent as you make it sound, you should be able to provide some evidence very easily.

[Winslow]

As a retired Senior NCO I know who much the Military tries to make even violent rape cases simply "go away" to avoid the image hit. I have seen it twice with my own eyes and know that it is a very common reaction. It imbarasses the command structure and "makes waves" so some think it must simply be covered up or ignored. that is not a universal reaction but it is very common even at the Academies. It is not like I am saying anything that is not very well documented

That was my experience as well in my four years at an academy and six as a comissioned officer.

Whether he admits it or not he was making an implication about me personally.

No he didn't. Post #215 was very clear. His intial post was also very clear.

[USArmyParatrooper]

That statement has NOTHING to do with you. It's about their fears of people not believing them.




Wait, you wanted evidence about how under-reported rape is, and I pointed an organization dedicated to helping rape victims, and listed their stats about how under-reported rape is, and you think that's irrelevant?

What the fuck kind of logic is that?

You made it a point to state that you personally know a few rape victims, and then you added that you doubt any rape victims I may know have mentioned it to me because XYZ. As I said before I don't expect you to admit it.

Copy and paste anywhere I have contested claims about how often rapes are reported.

[USArmyParatrooper]

I don't get it either.

He is either trolling you, or can't read.

I never once debated about the rates in which rapes are reported. So either you are trolling me or you can't read.

[mikekerrIII]

When did you retire?

96 but I still drink in the NCO club and nothing much has changed outside the eyewash and paperwork

[Winslow]

I never once debated about the rates in which rapes are reported. So either you are trolling me or you can't read.

Then you are posting past each other and not talking about the same thing. Because context indicates that's excatly what he was talking about.

So you can't read. Got it.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Seriously, it wasn't about you. I have no problem outright stating that I think you're a sociopath and a liar (and have done so before). I wouldn't waste my time implying anything.

You haven't proven any of your claims, as you keep insisting that others do so. I don't doubt that your claim isn't true some of the time, but if it's as prevalent as you make it sound, you should be able to provide some evidence very easily.

Outstanding. Name a single lie I have told and back it up with the link. Thanks.

[Jeff Brady]

You made it a point to state that you personally know a few rape victims, and then you added that you doubt any rape victims I may know have mentioned it to me because XYZ. As I said before I don't expect you to admit it.

"You" as in the Royal You. I could have easily substituted "Me". As I said before, I have no problem telling you what I think about you personally.

Copy and paste anywhere I have contested claims about how often rapes are reported.

Here's where it started:

No people are too often not charged with rapes even with good evidence and get off for some really bogus reasons. The punishment often doesn't suit the crime even if the DA goes forward.

I don't buy such claims without hard evidence. It defies logic. There is no culture of complicity for rape. Even among robbers, gang bangers and murderers in prison, rapists are considered scumbags.

So indeed, you did not dispute the rate of reporting. You did, however, dispute the rate of prosecution and punishment. Evidence was provided, which you then denied.

Edited to Add: I put you on Ignore within your first week of posting here. This is the first thread I've paid attention to anything you've said since then. Interesting that you're more concerned with being called a liar than a sociopath.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Here's where it started:

So indeed, you did not dispute the rate of reporting. You did, however, dispute the rate of prosecution and punishment. Evidence was provided, which you then denied.

Blatant Spin. THIS statement that I asked for evidence of makes NO factual statements about rates of reporting. None.

Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
No people are too often not charged with rapes even with good evidence and get off for some really bogus reasons. The punishment often doesn't suit the crime even if the DA goes forward.

He claimed suspects are often "not charged" when there is "good evidence" and that some get off with "really bogus reasons." That in no way, shape or form is a claim one way or the other for how often rapes are reported by women.

[USArmyParatrooper]

"You" as in the Royal You. I could have easily substituted "Me". As I said before, I have no problem telling you what I think about you personally.

Right, you have no problem calling me a liar, but you seem to have a BIG problem actually backing that accusation.

[Jeff Brady]

He claimed suspects are often "not charged" when there is "good evidence" and that some get off with "really bogus reasons." That in no way, shape or form is a claim one way or the other for how often rapes are reported by women.

That's correct. Which is why I corrected my earlier statement in the very post you are quoting.

You really can't read.

[USArmyParatrooper]

That's correct. Which is why I corrected my earlier statement in the very post you are quoting.

You really can't read.

"You really can't read" says the guy who accused me of contesting the rates of reporting when I didn't.

Also, I didn't contest the rates of prosecution, either. That entirely depends on how often enough evidence is present for a conviction.

I contested his statement that alleged rapists are often not prosecuted WHEN THERE IS "GOOD" EVIDENCE. None of your red herrings addressed that.

You really can't read.