Sue and Reed need to be broken up and Reed would be better Evil

**CrazyOldHermit** · 04-30-2012, 11:15 AM

Reed Richards: War hero. Genius scientist. Superhero. Devoted husband and father. Super villain.

Yep, sounds like a natural progression all right.

It only works with Ultimate Reed because Ultimate Reed was 1) young, 2) emotionally unstable and 3) experienced a good deal of trauma. 616 Reed has been around too long to turn evil and has a better head on his shoulders.

**Iron Maiden** · 04-30-2012, 11:21 AM

Well, we already have an evil (or perhaps merely morally damaged

) Reed in the MU....and his name is Victor Von Doom. This is why they killed him off in the Ultimate Universe since Reed was going to take his place. OH, and we did have the Brute from an alternate universe.

**squashmaster** · 04-30-2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by G@ry

Sue is a great character, but is wasted on Reed. Reed should have become evil a long time ago. Right now all this is happening in the Ultimate Universe and it feels like a natural progression. The only problem is that Sue in the Ultimate U is not a good character like the pure angel she is in 616.

So go read the Ultimate universe. That's why it was made, to be different takes on 616. The thing about Reed being evil is...that's just Dr. Doom. Evil Reed is Doom. Good stories are in contrasting their similarities and differences.

**Lady_Alternate** · 04-30-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by squashmaster

So go read the Ultimate universe. That's why it was made, to be different takes on 616. The thing about Reed being evil is...that's just Dr. Doom. Evil Reed is Doom. Good stories are in contrasting their similarities and differences.

I don't think he likes the Ultimate 'verse, because he has this idea that Sue is...

Originally Posted by G@ry

not a good character like the pure angel she is in 616.

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...yeah.

**One More Day** · 04-30-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate

I don't think he likes the Ultimate 'verse, because he has this idea that Sue is...

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Didn't 616 Sue sleep with Namor on several occasions?

**Lady_Alternate** · 04-30-2012, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by One More Day

Didn't 616 Sue sleep with Namor on several occasions?

One of the FF faithful will be able to answer that, but I know there have been kisses and intimate moments at the very least. But who could resist the allure of Namor?

**G@ry** · 04-30-2012, 11:53 AM

did she? I thought it was some kind of hypnosis or reed was dead or something.

anyways that would explain why she seems to flirt with Peter Parker. if she did cheat on Reed then that will change my view on her, and make her Jean Grey status.

**Rheged** · 04-30-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate

I don't think he likes the Ultimate 'verse, because he has this idea that Sue is...

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...yeah.

Yes, I was wondering about the alleged 'angelic purity' of Sue.

Originally Posted by One More Day

Didn't 616 Sue sleep with Namor on several occasions?

There's a whole thread debating this question, somewhere on this board.

Originally Posted by Lady_Alternate

One of the FF faithful will be able to answer that, but I know there have been kisses and intimate moments at the very least. But who could resist the allure of Namor?

I ask myself this, every time they put Sue and Namor together.

**Rheged** · 04-30-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by G@ry

did she? I thought it was some kind of hypnosis or reed was dead or something.

anyways that would explain why she seems to flirt with Peter Parker. if she did cheat on Reed then that will change my view on her, and make her Jean Grey status.

Oh dear. NOT Jean Grey status! What a world you live in, where women are either pure angels or ... Jean Grey status.

Granted, the green scale speedo IS hypnotic, but I'm not sure would serve as an "excuse" for Sue for you. And that time that Reed put Franklin in a coma, yeah, he was practically dead to her, which is why she ran off with Namor.

**G@ry** · 04-30-2012, 12:00 PM

can you give a summary of what happened between them please?

Originally Posted by Rheged

Oh dear. NOT Jean Grey status! What a world you live in, where women are either pure angels or ... Jean Grey status.

i understand this is a liberal forum where people are okay with those kinds of morals, but that doesn't mean i have to be fine with it.

**Lady_Alternate** · 04-30-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by G@ry

can you give a summary of what happened between them please?

If you make a circle with your left index finger and thumb, then extend your right index finger...

**One More Day** · 04-30-2012, 12:10 PM

Exactly what is Jean Grey status?

is it the whole genocide of planets thing?

**KPhilipsen** · 04-30-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by CTpitch

Hickman's run has been so stellar and quite unique to what we see in marvel comics nowadays a full complete story with a start, a middle and an end
keep ultimate out of 616 do we really need to see magneto crack Xavier's neck with his bear hands again?

This would have been the best comic book death ever. Bear hands ftw!