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I liked it. The use of Brainiac as a White House political protocol/care-taker was interesting in concept, even if it was brief. I wouldn't mind seeing Morrison flesh out this universe down the road.
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I give a goddam because this is an issue that goes beyond the U.S. Constitution. I believe Nubia (Wonder Woman) and Sholly Fisch gave the same goddam for the same reasons.We cannot just safely assume that the Constitution in this universe is the same as ours or not. We can hypothesize that it is, but until it becomes an actual issue, who gives a good goddamn?
Of course all Presidents lie, including the "good" ones. That doesn't mean I don't get to criticize them for the lies they told, does it? More to the point, the lies the Superman/POTUS of Earth-23 told to the American people in his universe are hardly comparable to lying about one's sexual activities. Everyone knew FDR was crippled, by the way. It wasn't a secret. I'm also sure if new information came to light about lies Washington or Lincoln told, we'd pick them apart too. It happens all the time.Which then takes me to misslane38 who says that only bad Presidents lie, I hate to say this, but that's probably far from the truth. After all, FDR was considered a good President, but he lied about his health. Kennedy was considered to be a good President, but he was screwing women left and right. Who is to say that Washington, Lincoln or any other so-called good President didn't lie to the American public in their tenure?
Ultimately, this isn't about pointing fingers of damnation at Presidents, including the fictional POTUS of Earth-23. This about pointing out character flaws that do not by themselves warrant wholesale condemnation. Superman can be wrong and still be a fundamentally good person. He can make an unethical choice without totally undermining his essential goodness. I just think it's important to shine a light on character flaws rather than pretend they don't exist. A flawed Superman isn't an invalid or uninteresting Superman. He's just not the ideal Superman. And I believe it should be okay to express that point of view.
I'd love to read the Canadian Prime Minister Superman book. Why does the US have to have all the fun?!Maybe there could be several world leader Supermen of other countries in Multiversity: Canadian Prime Minister Superman, British Prime Minister Superman, Austrailian Prime Minister Superman, King Superman...
An "honest" president is about as likely as an actual Superman.It's an issue about who Superman is at his core and whether or not it is morally and ethically appropriate for the POTUS to lie to the American people about an issue that has the potential to impact national security as well as the President's ability to faithfully carry out the responsibilities of being POTUS.
So, yes, this Superman, by trying to do good, has put himself in a position where he has to compromize his integrity to help other people. That's the good part about it (and the fact the book basically ends on that statement, even if said statement isn't made by Morrison, is probably not a coincidence).
"I'm going to paraphrase Nietzsche, when you judge a work, the work judges you."
After thinking about what TheBatman said, I've reconsidered my stance on the situation (you can his post a page or so back when he responded to me). I hadn't considered that thought, and now I'm okay with the idea even if I still don't like the execution (particularly in the backup). I also don't like how he would leave Brainiac in charge when he's away, and if this Superman is ever fleshed out I could see the same result happening to him with Brainiac as happened to the Soviet Superman.
I did have nice things to say about the issue, about the writing and subtext...but alas, it's the internet and people looking for arguments only see the negative aspect for discussion. Always turns into "I'm right!" "No I'm right!" "Nu-uh!" "Yeah so!" etc. so this is my last word on the subject. (not speaking directly to you, just in general)
And to (finally) answer your question regarding Ultraman, no. Was he found by a kindly couple? (I honestly don't know) If he was raised to be morally bankrupt then I would not expect him to have the same principles as a Superman who was raised to have a conscience. And the evidence suggests that the Superman in this issue, the one we're arguing about, was raised by good people.
Personally, that only makes them more inspiring (in my eyes) than a buy scout guy who was raised by two good guys.
So I would have no problem if Jonathan and Marthat kent turned out to be two obnoxious parents, as long as Superman managed to overcome their prejudice.
Very interesting--the near direct comparison to the Siegel and Schuster case was pretty ballsy, and even if you take away that part, it was still a fun superhero story.
As of right now, the President has the ability to order the assassination of any living being on the planet that he wants. That's about the exact opposite of "limited."