Axel Alonso discusses what One More Day made possible

[CyberHubbs]

I'll never be cool with OMD just for the simple fact that it's an unfinished story where Peter never remembers the whole deal with Mephisto and never has to deal with any type of reprecussions from it.

I don't see why he'd endlessly have to lament/complain about it He didn't do that when he got back from the House of M reality where he'd experienced what the perfect life would've been like had Gwen Stacy lived & then had to reconcile that with his feelings for MJ....He expressed frustration over it for half an issue or so but thats about it.

It just doesn't sit right with me that Peter will remain ignorant of the deal & never have to deal with any reprecussions because it irked Joe Q & some other people at Marvel to have Peter & MJ married to the point where they couldn't concoct a better story to dissolve the marriage.

He lost his wife.

Guy didn't get away scott free.

[Glynne Ainsworth]

He lost his wife.

Guy didn't get away scott free.

I am sorry but if he doesn't remember it then he didn't lose her, therefore no reprocussions. Especially when Pete felt "free" after OMIT.

[CyberHubbs]

I am sorry but if he doesn't remember it then he didn't lose her, therefore no reprocussions. Especially when Pete felt "free" after OMIT.

He lost a "better" life. Marriage, kids, the whole family thing. He doesn't have to remember it.

He only felt free after OMIT because he and MJ came to an understanding about their relationship. Wasn't like he's all, "I'm free of that redheaded bitch!"

[One More Day]

He lost a "better" life. Marriage, kids, the whole family thing. He doesn't have to remember it.

He only felt free after OMIT because he and MJ came to an understanding about their relationship. Wasn't like he's all, "I'm free of that redheaded bitch!"

[classicgmer]

He only felt free after OMIT because he and MJ came to an understanding about their relationship. Wasn't like he's all, "I'm free of that redheaded bitch!"

I think you may have missed the part where I said he didn't have to deal with any of the repercussions from OMD. Yes he lost everything you said he did but because he can't remember losing any of it then those repercussions are meaningless to him & he goes on living his life blissfully unaware that anything is amiss.

[CyberHubbs]

I think you may have missed the part where I said he didn't have to deal with any of the repercussions from OMD. Yes he lost everything you said he did but because he can't remember losing any of it then those repercussions are meaningless to him & he goes on living his life blissfully unaware that anything is amiss.

That was directed at Glynne.

His repercussion is having lost a good life with MJ. It may not be what you want, which seems to be revisiting a story you didn't like to begin with, but it's a repercussion. Peter doesn't have to remember it.

[classicgmer]

It's a repercussion he's unaware of thus making it meaningless from his perspective, thus he's not dealing with it. I mean really how do you feel the impact of something you can't remember?


It has nothing to do with me wanting the story revisited the fact of the matter is that he isn't in any way, shape form or fashion dealing with any repercussion of making that deal with Mephisto.

[David Walton]

He lost his wife.

Guy didn't get away scott free.

The way he lost his wife is kind of like having chicken pox when you're a year old.

I'm sure it was a real pain at the time, but it's not like he remembers.

[Xenon]

sure but why one wants to know is the key... to see if its getting better is independent. However, wanting to be informed.... thats exactly what i was describing.

No, what you were describing is attaching a value and reasoning to wanting to be informed based on your own baises.

Honestly, its not the effort... its the desire to be informed that proves the point. If you still have to know, they cant be doing that bad a job.... if they were you'd give up on the character / franchise and move on. its fine if you check back every once and a while.... thats trying to see if its gotten better. Knowing every spoiler because you cant help but read it.... that speaks volumes. The reasons one tells themselves to justify that can vary wildly, but the reality is the person is still intrigued monthly.

This is just plain nonsense. You can want to know what is happening with something you love even if that thing you love is being run into the ground. You're trying to tie everything about the character to modern era and that's ridiculous. My interest, even though I am reading now, wasn't created by anybody working at Marvel now. It was a 90s cartoon show and the idea of the character (which goes back to Lee/Ditko/Romita). The desire to be informed is bigger than a bunch of guys who are screwing things up. Peopl don't move on because nothing about their desire has changed. They simply aren't getting their desire satisfied by the current caretakers. What you're suggesting is that if you have a bad girlfriend one time you should give up dating altogether, because you just need to move on, that love thing isn't going to work out. It's patently ridiculous. Your desire for love is bigger than one heartbreak. It's bigger than just that one person you loved. No one behaves in this manner. For those that dislike the current direction, or even those who are simply unsatisfied, they're not going to give up on the character because of a bad experience (at least, some aren't,some are of course going to be driven away), because that bad experience doesn't change the core that sparked that desire in the first place. You think far too small. The desire ain't coming from the people doing the work now. It's coming from a different place entirely.

[CyberHubbs]

It's a repercussion he's unaware of thus making it meaningless from his perspective, thus he's not dealing with it. I mean really how do you feel the impact of something you can't remember?


It has nothing to do with me wanting the story revisited the fact of the matter is that he isn't in any way, shape form or fashion dealing with any repercussion of making that deal with Mephisto.

The way he lost his wife is kind of like having chicken pox when you're a year old.

I'm sure it was a real pain at the time, but it's not like he remembers.

His personal life was in shambles for most of BND. Probably would not have been the case had he been with MJ.

[ShaggyB]

No, what you were describing is attaching a value and reasoning to wanting to be informed based on your own baises.

and thats exactly what axel did too isnt it?

This is just plain nonsense. You can want to know what is happening with something you love even if that thing you love is being run into the ground. You're trying to tie everything about the character to modern era and that's ridiculous. My interest, even though I am reading now, wasn't created by anybody working at Marvel now. It was a 90s cartoon show and the idea of the character (which goes back to Lee/Ditko/Romita). The desire to be informed is bigger than a bunch of guys who are screwing things up. Peopl don't move on because nothing about their desire has changed. They simply aren't getting their desire satisfied by the current caretakers. What you're suggesting is that if you have a bad girlfriend one time you should give up dating altogether, because you just need to move on, that love thing isn't going to work out. It's patently ridiculous. Your desire for love is bigger than one heartbreak. It's bigger than just that one person you loved. No one behaves in this manner. For those that dislike the current direction, or even those who are simply unsatisfied, they're not going to give up on the character because of a bad experience (at least, some aren't,some are of course going to be driven away), because that bad experience doesn't change the core that sparked that desire in the first place. You think far too small. The desire ain't coming from the people doing the work now. It's coming from a different place entirely.

Feel however you want. I know ive taken a complete walk when is dislike something. For example... I left X-men for a long long time because the stories sucked and the art was terrible. I didnt even check out what I was missing. Clean break. If you arent making the clean break and are obsessing about knowing and criticizing every new issue.... then it cant be all bad. Youve not walked away.

Put it this way when you break up with a significant other because they did something that ruined them for you (lets go with cheated on you)... Do you then still follow there daily exploits? Do you really want to hear about it?

[Scott Taylor]

His personal life was in shambles for most of BND. Probably would not have been the case had he been with MJ.

Honestly, compared to the married years I would say he was better off during everything since OMD. He's on easy street compared with the drama of the likes of Clone Saga, the Other, Lobster Man, House of M, Sin's Past, Civil War, Back in Black. He has fewer NPCs now, with no girlfriend and Aunt May out living somewhere safe with her hubby, how can that be more stressful?

He's happier and more well-adjusted now than he has been since forever. No Aunt May to worry about! Holy Crap!

[One More Day]

Honestly, compared to the married years I would say he was better off during everything since OMD. He's on easy street compared with the drama of the likes of Clone Saga, the Other, Lobster Man, House of M, Sin's Past, Civil War, Back in Black. He has fewer NPCs now, with no girlfriend and Aunt May out living somewhere safe with her hubby, how can that be more stressful?

He's happier and more well-adjusted now than he has been since forever. No Aunt May to worry about! Holy Crap!

What's so bad about LOBSTER MAN?

[Xenon]

and thats exactly what axel did too isnt it?

Maybe? How is him being wrong help you being wrong though?

Feel however you want. I know ive taken a complete walk when is dislike something. For example... I left X-men for a long long time because the stories sucked and the art was terrible. I didnt even check out what I was missing. Clean break. If you arent making the clean break and are obsessing about knowing and criticizing every new issue.... then it cant be all bad. Youve not walked away.

Put it this way when you break up with a significant other because they did something that ruined them for you (lets go with cheated on you)... Do you then still follow there daily exploits? Do you really want to hear about it?

You're basing everything upon what you would personally do, which, like I said before, is thinking things are too small. It can be all bad and you not walk away. And furthermore, "all bad" is moving goalposts anyway. "that bad" was the original standard, and considerably different. But in either case, what you would do and your reactions to situations are not the be all and end all for interpreting behavior. Perhaps you would stop keeping up on information, I imagine there are thousands of people who have done just that. But not everyone is going to behave the way you do. Some are going to behave differently for different reasons. You cannot assign YOUR reasons to THEIR behavior. Some are going to hate every single issue and buy it anyway because they want a complete run. Some are going to hate every single issue and create online campaigns about it. Some are going to love every issue and not buy a one. I know you REALLY want that conclusion to be true, but there's no basis in objective reality for it. People have different motivations, action is not reason.

[ShaggyB]

Maybe? How is him being wrong help you being wrong though?

youve yet to prove his opinion wrong. For that matter youve yet to sway me on mine.

You're basing everything upon what you would personally do, which, like I said before, is thinking things are too small. It can be all bad and you not walk away. And furthermore, "all bad" is moving goalposts anyway. "that bad" was the original standard, and considerably different. But in either case, what you would do and your reactions to situations are not the be all and end all for interpreting behavior. Perhaps you would stop keeping up on information, I imagine there are thousands of people who have done just that. But not everyone is going to behave the way you do. Some are going to behave differently for different reasons. You cannot assign YOUR reasons to THEIR behavior. Some are going to hate every single issue and buy it anyway because they want a complete run. Some are going to hate every single issue and create online campaigns about it. Some are going to love every issue and not buy a one. I know you REALLY want that conclusion to be true, but there's no basis in objective reality for it. People have different motivations, action is not reason.

Again, since you've ignored the example I gave for where I was coming from, If you catch your significant other cheating and break up with them, then follow them around trying to keep up with their lives, I'm not going to label you part of the norm. Id put you squarely in the still likes them / doesn't think they are all bad category. If you feel the norm is for people who elect to break up with someone that cheats on them to then stalk them.... then I cant begin to even see eye to eye with you. Its fine to check base every once and awhile but fanatically reading spoilers on a bi monthly basis is just proving the point for Axel. You can justify it however you want... but the point still stands. You are still a reader and that cant mean that its all bad because if it were you would have left (or at the least not checked back as frequently). So I'm going to just agree to disagree with you because we are at a fundamental impasse here.