Axel Alonso discusses what One More Day made possible

[CyberHubbs]

and thats exactly what axel did too isnt it?



Feel however you want. I know ive taken a complete walk when is dislike something. For example... I left X-men for a long long time because the stories sucked and the art was terrible. I didnt even check out what I was missing. Clean break. If you arent making the clean break and are obsessing about knowing and criticizing every new issue.... then it cant be all bad. Youve not walked away.

Put it this way when you break up with a significant other because they did something that ruined them for you (lets go with cheated on you)... Do you then still follow there daily exploits? Do you really want to hear about it?

Of course not...ahem.

[CyberHubbs]

Honestly, compared to the married years I would say he was better off during everything since OMD. He's on easy street compared with the drama of the likes of Clone Saga, the Other, Lobster Man, House of M, Sin's Past, Civil War, Back in Black. He has fewer NPCs now, with no girlfriend and Aunt May out living somewhere safe with her hubby, how can that be more stressful?

He's happier and more well-adjusted now than he has been since forever. No Aunt May to worry about! Holy Crap!

Most of that had less to do with MJ, though. Well, maybe Lobster Man.

Also, I'd say he has more NPCs than before.

[Xenon]

youve yet to prove his opinion wrong. For that matter youve yet to sway me on mine.

Appeal to authority is a meaningless fallacy, so I can reword, but it changes nothing. How does Axel saying the same thing make you less wrong? Who cares? I'm looking for rationality.

Again, since you've ignored the example I gave for where I was coming from, If you catch your significant other cheating and break up with them, then follow them around trying to keep up with their lives, I'm not going to label you part of the norm. Id put you squarely in the still likes them / doesn't think they are all bad category. If you feel the norm is for people who elect to break up with someone that cheats on them to then stalk them.... then I cant begin to even see eye to eye with you.

I ignore the example because it's a poor one. Your significant other is a complete being in and of herself, who is responsible for her own choices and is one half a relationship that you have with her. If she doesn't something that compromises the core of the relationship, then you have problems. But that is in no way related at all to the situation we're in. Spider-Man is a media property that is fifty years old, was created by different people, has been developed by dozens of people, and has had numerous adaptations. The actions of the media properties caretakers, who are just one piece in a string of factors controlling the character, are not equivalent to the decisions of an autonomous human being. A few years of bad comic books is not damaging to the core of the character. And even if it's DAMAGING to the core of the character, that doesn't mean it RUINS the core of the character. Because they can't touch that. Not really. And that's what people love about it. Your example has as much relevance as me pretending the decision between Big Mac and Whopper determines which political party you'll vote for.

[ShaggyB]

Appeal to authority is a meaningless fallacy, so I can reword, but it changes nothing. How does Axel saying the same thing make you less wrong?

how does you disagreeing with me or Axel or anyone else make you right? Again you've yet to prove anything right or wrong. You've given your opinion which you've labeled 'logical' (by suggesting other opinions are not). That doesn't mean your opinion is going to be accepted as universally logical... but perhaps it is logical for you. That's ok, that's how opinions work. A persons' own is usually the most correct for them. This is simply an impasse, its time to move on.

[Xenon]

how does you disagreeing with me or Axel or anyone else make you right? Again you've yet to prove anything right or wrong. You've given your opinion which you've labeled 'logical' (by suggesting other opinions are not). That doesn't mean your opinion is going to be accepted as universally logical... but perhaps it is logical for you. That's ok, that's how opinions work. A persons' own is usually the most correct for them. This is simply an impasse, its time to move on.

It doesn't and I never said it did. But citing to Axel doesn't make you right either. I'm saying that your position is wrong and illogical. I've outlined the reasons why I believe it is such. Responding by saying "that's what Axel said" isn't a response that refutes anything, it's just an appeal to authority. It's just you saying "I must be right because somebody important agrees with me".

But we are, in fact, done here.

[spideybr]

It doesn't and I never said it did. But citing to Axel doesn't make you right either. I'm saying that your position is wrong and illogical. I've outlined the reasons why I believe it is such. Responding by saying "that's what Axel said" isn't a response that refutes anything, it's just an appeal to authority. It's just you saying "I must be right because somebody important agrees with me".

But we are, in fact, done here.

I agree with your conclusion and i agree with shaggy, he is right becouse his opinion aligns with the ones in power, so suck it up, you are wrong !!
Can we drop this you are wrong ,i am right ? these discussions are all about submiting yourself to the other truth,not who has more relevant facts, right and wrong are as abstract concepts like good and evil.

[whiteshark]

OMD made the Spidey stories original again,lets face it.It is much more easier to guess in what directions will a 20 year old status quo lead Spider-Man that what will happen in the stories of Spidey in a brand new status quo.
And surelly made the stories closer to the core of how funny and original they were a couple of decades ago but in a modern storytelling context.

[E. Wilson]

OMD made the Spidey stories original again,lets face it.It is much more easier to guess in what directions will a 20 year old status quo lead Spider-Man that what will happen in the stories of Spidey in a brand new status quo.

I predict that in 20 years, Spidey will be worried about Aunt May, at odds with JJJ, desperately juggling superheroics and his real life, and generally disrespected by the world at large.

And surelly made the stories closer to the core of how funny and original they were a couple of decades ago but in a modern storytelling context.

What did One More Day have to do with any of that, though? The guys who made those changes didn't even know what the result of OMD would be when they started out.

[refrax5]

While I really like the current Spidey titles and honestly don't mind that they got rid of the marriage, it was the way they did it that bothered me. The idea of Pete making a deal with the devil kind of leaves a black mark on the character for me, you know? It just kind of sullies him in my book, and this is coming from someone who isn't religious and doesn't mind characters with checkered pasts or moral lapses. But it just seems like such a hugely crappy thing to burden the character with.