Axel Alonso discusses what One More Day made possible

[mikekerrIII]

...your writing style is odd. Is English not your first language? Not that it matters.

What's wrong with OMD? It did what it was intended to do: wipe away the horrible marriage. Single Spidey is awesome!

It just managed to turn Spider-man into a moral coward who surrendered to evil to fix his own mistakes.

[Khajit]

I'm getting the impression that alex alonso isn't very bright from this. People say they stopped buying after OMD and he thinks they're lying because they know what's going on? Do they have to start singing "yar har fiddle de dee" before he figures it out or is he too dense to get what happened after that?
There's also no correlation between current stories and omd in terms of quality. The only thing that maybe just maybe could have any relevant changes to it as a result of omd is the fact that chameleon slept with that cop's sister and i could see hilarity ensue from that either way. Or perhaps he's insulting our intelligence by assuming we're stupid enough to believe him. Spider Island brought back tons of people who stopped buying in disgust. He should be kissing the feet of dan slott instead of kissing the ass of OMD.

[Xenon]

#1 They're never gonna admit that it was a "collsal ***-up" (your words not mine BUT I do agree) because in their eyes it wasn't. The end result of getting rid of the marriage was all that mattered & things like how the story was told, reasons given for the erasure of the marriage, method utilized, etc these things were all secondary & not that important so long as the marriage was eliminated.


#2 I don't know why people held out on Alonso having a different outlook I mean if you held a position of influence/power within a Co. wouldn't you want to make sure those closest to you including your eventual successor held similar outlooks/views on various matters that you would?

Believe me the outlook of the people way up top guiding ASM won't be changing anytime soon which is why I will not be buying ASM for a looooooooong time to come no matter what creative team they put on the book.

There's nothing irrational in what you say, but it's just hard for people to give up hope. OTHER colossally bad stories have been recognized mostly for what they are (and while they haven't been retconned most writers have the good sense to ignore them). So people can't quite give up on the notion that people who are professional story tellers would recognize something terrible for being terrible.

This is the real reason OMD is a trainwreck of epic proportions that is still being talked about even now. They didn't care about any kind of real story. They wanted to get rid of the marriage, come hell or high-water. And OMIT was an even worse abomination to storytelling.

Ugh... Is this crap what constitutes professional work?

And this is why discussions about it are met with cries to just shut up and let it go, cause until people do that the process will never really be complete.

I am glad I skipped out on OMIT beyond the 1st issue. I felt for the editor being handed that mess really. I did pick up 673 , 675-677 for 25 cents an issue at a store closing and was shocked at the latest , funniest revamp.

Doctor Strange is now being credited as the one who wiped everything. Weird ....

For all the crap that OMIT deservedly gets, that change was the one positive change to come out of it. Instead of Mephisto just randomly wiping people's memories as a bonus, it's not the result of a collaboration between Reed, Tony, and Doc Strange. Much better.

[Kevinroc]

And this is why discussions about it are met with cries to just shut up and let it go, cause until people do that the process will never really be complete.

I'm not against the idea of undoing the marriage (although that was a problem for many people). But the actual story that we got, that had such a major impact on continuity, was a horrible piece of crap.

If there were an actual story here. A real tearjerker, I think we wouldn't still be talking about it like we do. But since the story is so awful it makes you even question what constitutes professional published work, you'll still see arguments about it. And the people at Marvel never actually talk about the quality of OMD. At all. It's all about how good the book is now. Which is a false argument (and also, they should be kissing Dan Slott's feet for his work on the title). Marvel still published some of the worst stories in comics with OMD and OMIT.

[Spider-Dragon]

I'm not against the idea of undoing the marriage (although that was a problem for many people). But the actual story that we got, that had such a major impact on continuity, was a horrible piece of crap.

If there were an actual story here. A real tearjerker, I think we wouldn't still be talking about it like we do. But since the story is so awful it makes you even question what constitutes professional published work, you'll still see arguments about it. And the people at Marvel never actually talk about the quality of OMD. At all. It's all about how good the book is now. Which is a false argument (and also, they should be kissing Dan Slott's feet for his work on the title). Marvel still published some of the worst stories in comics with OMD and OMIT.

Dan Slott is a good writer and as a good writer he could've just as easily told stories of a married Peter and Mary Jane just as well as them being single.

There is not a single story done since OMD that couldn't have been done with Peter and Mary Jane being married minus subtracting certain obvious things from the stories that Peter shouldn't have been doing while married.

[The Superior Michael Deery]

Here's how I would have had Peter and MaryJane split.

Have Spidey swing around the city and be all "Shit, I feel bad." Then he visits Aunt May who tells him she gave away one of his microscopes and he's all "Shit I liked that microscope." The he tries to get it back but fails so he's all,"Shit I better divorce MJ."

[Glynne Ainsworth]

I think Axel Alfonso is taking the company stance( nothing wrong with that ) I do disagree however, when he says that we could not be where we are without OMD. From what I gather reading the posts here, the only real significant changes to Spiderman post OMD are, his secret ID(yet all his superfriends still know) and his married status. Now except for the Paper doll story and Carley Cooper, how would the post OMD be any different, without "the deal"

And I am one of the ones who have not bought Spiderman post OMD and what little I know I get from posting here on occasion.
And not because of the marriage, but because of the retro, history changing nature of OMD. If you want to discuss the marriage erasure being needed I will disagree, but I see your point. What I do not think was needed is the DC'ing of Spiderman by altering his history via Mephisto, making, at least for me an alternate Spiderman, and not the original I started reading in the early 70's

[SUPERECWFAN1]

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For all the crap that OMIT deservedly gets, that change was the one positive change to come out of it. Instead of Mephisto just randomly wiping people's memories as a bonus, it's not the result of a collaboration between Reed, Tony, and Doc Strange. Much better.

It really is the shifting sand that Marvel has tried to create with the retcon ala Superboy's removal from the Superman mythos and impact on LSH. They had to try and explain him away and used quite a few explanations. Because none really worked. The change to Doctor Strange makes no sense since he of course in OMD wouldn't help Peter Parker. But its all the company has currently to go with. They can't mention "YOU KNOW WHO" having an effect so they have to shift someone there.

They were better off using the Scarlet Witch since she has effected reality and changed things. But she was over used a lot. But she made the most sense really in this situation to go with.

A future writer will have a FIELD DAY with retconning OMD. The returns of characters , the sudden fact Doctor Strange has changed his look some and his believing he helped Peter Parker fake his ID. The moment they decide to make $$$$ and do the revelation storyline that Mephisto pulled so many strings and has a piece of Peter's soul (his marriage piece) the fact Peter will go all out in a rematch will make this better.

I give it maybe 5-8 years. Someone will come in and tell the story. The pieces are there. The money to be made from it will be too much to deny.

[mikekerrIII]

For all the crap that OMIT deservedly gets, that change was the one positive change to come out of it. Instead of Mephisto just randomly wiping people's memories as a bonus, it's not the result of a collaboration between Reed, Tony, and Doc Strange. Much better.

Having the evil act done by supposed heroes is that much better?

[ShaggyB]

JMS was the WRITER on OMD, and we all see his reaction four years down the line, so the fact that Alonso was an editor I don't think warranted a lot of consideration.

Plus, well, hope is a funny thing, we'll go to great lengths to keep it alive.

but we knew that JMS didnt even want his name on the last part of OMD.... we knew that when it was happening.

[ShaggyB]

It sounds like a deflection and not realizing the reality of things nowadays. Sure people may know what is going on with your characters and what is happening in the titles. But they are less doing several things.

1.) Reading the issues at the LCS - Which isn't buying your product.

2.) Reading the Previews at the LCS - Which isn't buying your product.

3.) Reading spoilers online - Which isn't buying your product.

4.) Going to sites and stealing the work to read for free - Which isn't buying your product.


Now I'm sure some do buy the books. I am sure some will do that. But if some are claiming , well we haven't bought it and the EIC dismisses it believing they all are lying ...well there is options out there where they don't have to. But of course I suppose its best to jam your fingers in your ears and deny that.

Good luck with Spider-Man , Alonso. Its been over 4 years and the company still can't seem to get past OMD by having the EIC bring it up.

its likely hes looking at the full numbers sold on spider-man and then at fans claims and saying wow that doesnt match up.

[ShaggyB]

Having the evil act done by supposed heroes is that much better?

sure its better. it becomes a question of whether what they did was truly "evil" or just a miss use of power... either way hes not "surrendered to evil to fix his own mistakes". Seems to fix the complaint you listed in this thread.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

its likely hes looking at the full numbers sold on spider-man and then at fans claims and saying wow that doesnt match up.

Well given this is the March data according to ICV2 and all...




http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/22625.html

Amazing Spider-Man 681 - 52,143
Amazing Spider-Man 682 - 57,143

I suppose its a success due to double shipping perhaps. As far as sales go... ASM has been in the 50,000 range for the past year it seems. I last saw a thread discussing sales and it seems like the near same exact range.

I admit its likely some are still buying who proclaim they aren't and claim utter anger at it. Alonso is right there. But if he's pointing to sales no and thinking a majority are lying about buying the book ....well....doubtful. There is just so many avenues people can stay up to date and know whats happening in the book now.

[Xenon]

but we knew that JMS didnt even want his name on the last part of OMD.... we knew that when it was happening.

JMS is a big name writer with non-comic work who can rely on his name to protect him from these sorts of arguments and get him work. Mr. Alonso is not. Nor are most people at marvel. The fact that they are silent cannot be read as either acceptance or rejection.

Considering th eabsolute travesty that was OMD, people find it hard to believe that a bunch of professionals couldn't see that it was a travesty and were all happy with it. Now, that might very well be the case, but it's just hard for people to accept that things are that bad. like I said, hope is a funny thing.

Having the evil act done by supposed heroes is that much better?

There's nothing evil about what Dr. Strange and co. did. They didn't go back in time and erase his marriage or demand payment, they worked to undo a mistake that Peter made under duress so that he could continue to operate as a superhero. Nothing wrong with that. You may argue that that's letting Mr. Parker off too light, but honestly, considering the situation that Tony put him in, I could make a strong case that he's not responsible for his actions. =p

[classicgmer]

Well given this is the March data according to ICV2 and all...




http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/22625.html

Amazing Spider-Man 681 - 52,143
Amazing Spider-Man 682 - 57,143

I suppose its a success due to double shipping perhaps. As far as sales go... ASM has been in the 50,000 range for the past year it seems. I last saw a thread discussing sales and it seems like the near same exact range.

I admit its likely some are still buying who proclaim they aren't and claim utter anger at it. Alonso is right there. But if he's pointing to sales no and thinking a majority are lying about buying the book ....well....doubtful. There is just so many avenues people can stay up to date and know whats happening in the book now.

I know for fact that there are some people out there like this but probably not nearly as many people as Alonso suspects...It's quite the weird little Phenomenon I'll never quite get My favorite examples for why people continue to buy books they hate.

"This book is the only book that has my favorite character appearing in it" Soooo even if that character or the book is being written horrendously & out of character you'll still continue to shovel $$ it's way?

Of course you've got the " I've been collecting this book from the start & I'm not gonna have any holes in my collection" argument...............Well guess what with a book like ASM or say Detective comics it's gonna continue on long after you're dead & buried so it's always gonna be impossible for you to have a complete collection


I'll never understand the mindset of the completionist I guess