Defend a hated game.

[jesse_custer]

I agreed with you above but I find this unfathomable. I'm not sure where to begin. You've only played it for a few hours ... but you also think it's fair for you to be the judge of its storytelling? I'm fine with that if you'd given up on, say, late disc two or three but in the first few hours? Good Lord, the story doesn't even get started until the end of Timber, when Seifer is taken away by Edea. It's plausible you could reach there in a few hours ... but long enough to judge the storytelling? Not really. Long enough to judge the gameplay? Not really either. By then, you're still using weak spells, using weak cards and not doing any sidequests. Unless the few hours you sampled came later in the game, I'm puzzled as to how you could have the grasp of the gameplay you think you do. And the judgement of the story would leave me completely baffled.

And Final Fantasy X is my favourite FF game, as it happens. Second best mini-game ever, best battle system (with five-digit HP and attacks), best spells, best effects, best summons and ... uh, the worst characters. But whatever, can't win 'em all.

Good Lord indeed! Stories should be engaging from start to finish. No good RPG - whether it's Secret of Mana, Planescape Torment, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, or Phantasy Star 4 - sucks at the beginning in terms of storytelling and/or gameplay. The fact is that you, the player, are weak at the beginning of every RPG. That doesn't mean I should excuse FFVIII's obvious flaws. I play games to have fun; I should never have to think "Oh, I'm gonna give this one a fifth chance" as I get deeper than I did with the last attempt. As I said, I gave VIII plenty of opportunities, but despite the fact that I got deeper and deeper into the game with each new playthrough, the game was never good.

And fair enough that X is your favorite. I'm glad you enjoyed it because I didn't.

[Alex]

Good Lord indeed! Stories should be engaging from start to finish. No good RPG - whether it's Secret of Mana, Planescape Torment, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, or Phantasy Star 4 - sucks at the beginning in terms of storytelling and/or gameplay. The fact is that you, the player, are weak at the beginning of every RPG. That doesn't mean I should excuse FFVIII's obvious flaws. I play games to have fun; I should never have to think "Oh, I'm gonna give this one a fifth chance" as I get deeper than I did with the last attempt. As I said, I gave VIII plenty of opportunities, but despite the fact that I got deeper and deeper into the game with each new playthrough, the game was never good.

And fair enough that X is your favorite. I'm glad you enjoyed it because I didn't.

Could be worse.
13 took about 26 hours to get started, and it still sucked when it got started.

[jesse_custer]

Could be worse.
13 took about 26 hours to get started, and it still sucked when it got started.

I'm gonna defend XIII a little, but not because I really like the game.

The fact is that I can forgive a bad story (which XIII certainly has) if I enjoy the battle system because I love battles. I think XIII has a pretty good battle system. But as I found out at that 26th hour, the battle system is the ONLY thing that's good about XIII, which brought me to a rather disturbing question that I should never have to ask while playing a video game: why am I fighting?

[Blu Berri]

The music was nice too and the character designs if you can look past the characters they're glued on.
Also, if you avoid the draw-system, the customization is pretty in-depth for a PS game.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i guess i would have to say Resident Evil 5, it's not a bad game but enough people gave it middling reviews. sure it's a co-op version of RE4 but how is that a bad thing? my only complaint was that it was probably about 5 to 6 hours too short for a RE game.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Spider-Man 3 (Treyarch), it's the one game I keep scratching my head when I play it

• Charged jump jumps high enough for my liking
• Good combat (aside from the first special, swing kick is a joke), but it's generally fun and easy to perform
• The web yoyo is awesome, and pressing the speed button while it's on is fun, and it wasn't just there for the fun of it
• Soundtracks are cool, I enjoy listening to them during gameplay, and in normal times. Minus the symbiote free roam track
• Boss fights are among the most fun, it's like a sketch book with pencils & crayons in my hands, used environment, tossed bosses, heck I even made venom shake the pipes for me
• I found tricks in gameplay
• QTE's, I used to hate those for a while, then I liked plenty of them, and heck, they're mostly basic, press jump to jump, punch to punch, web to web, etc
• Some comic references visually, it reminds me of comics a lot more than the so comic based one that followed is
• Attacking from web poles, while swinging I press an attack button and he launches an attack
• Glitches, oh my God, those glitches hardly bothered me in, they added to the fun and made it even more entertaining to sit through, all 36 times

There are more, but I'll stop here

i guess i would have to say Resident Evil 5, my only complaint was that it was probably about 5 to 6 hours too short for a RE game.

RE games are usually shorter, so that complaint is kind of funny
If RE5 was hate, I say I like it, aside from some annoyances it's fun to throw Sheva

[jesse_custer]

Resident Evil 5 was indeed fun for two players, especially with The Mercenaries.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

RE games are usually shorter, so that complaint is kind of funny
If RE5 was hate, I say I like it, aside from some annoyances it's fun to throw Sheva

compared to other RE games it was kinda short.

[Alex]

i guess i would have to say Resident Evil 5, it's not a bad game but enough people gave it middling reviews. sure it's a co-op version of RE4 but how is that a bad thing? my only complaint was that it was probably about 5 to 6 hours too short for a RE game.

I never got why so many seemed to dislike it.
I personaly didn't like RE5, but i didn't find anything particularly wrong with the game.

[blackdragon6]

I never got why so many seemed to dislike it.
I personaly didn't like RE5, but i didn't find anything particularly wrong with the game.

it was a great game i enjoyed it, i think it's because the action is kicked up, the fact they added sheva that also put fans off. i can't help but think the controversy (and or the accusation itself) soured fans to the game unfortunately.

[Young Avenger]

Smash Bros Brawl. It gets a lot of hate from it's competitive community for removing many things that made Melee a great competitive game. Since I see Smash as purely a party game I could care less.

[stewart48]

ET

It was crap but it was my first introduction to seeing my actions cause a few blocks on a screen to move around. Just wandered for days in that game

[jesse_custer]

Smash Bros Brawl. It gets a lot of hate from it's competitive community for removing many things that made Melee a great competitive game. Since I see Smash as purely a party game I could care less.

Any competitive community is bitchy, though. Brawl isn't really "hated."

[Young Avenger]

Any competitive community is bitchy, though. Brawl isn't really "hated."

Brawl is hated to great degree. For the game's producer deliberately making the game less competitive, online being absolutely broken, among other fighting game fans who don't view the series as a fighting game.

[Michael P]

Actually, the hilarious part is, they have to make up a whole bunch of bullshit restrictions to make button-mashing a winning strategy.