Why is there another Jean Grey clone living in Iron Fist land?

[SugarMan]

This girl > Jean just like Maddie and Rachel and Hope were. Every single one puts Jean to shame, including this gaijinfist.

Ridiculous.

[Meehl]

Jean was part of a series, and not even original or unique in any way. They need to accept that, and move on beyond their fetishism.

I am in complete agreement with D@n. (when's the Mayan end of the world date?). I've made this point in every phoenix thread. That the Phoenix is a cosmic universal force that existed prior to Jean and would have existed if Jean had never been born (allowing for some special phoenic-y aspects of Grey DNA) is the only interpretation that makes ALL elements of the Phoenix history congruent and fit a coherent narrative.

Unfortunately, Henry is just going to come by and reference half a panel of a Classic X-men story involving a hallucinating Jean talking to herself and argue that it takes precedence over every thing else Marvel has ever printed on the subject.

[Optic Rage]

Who was the first one to suggest that Jean was always the phoenix or whatever.

[Meehl]

Who was the first one to suggest that Jean was always the phoenix or whatever.

I think CC started to go in this direction at one point, but never made it final.

[Phoenix Egg]

Jean says they are one in Endsong. Death said the same thing. By now, you must know the related issues as Henry T.

Even Brevoort, who hates Jean, says the the DPS was pretty much Jean.

[Lady_Alternate]

Even Brevoort, who hates Jean

I think he hates crazy Jean fans asking him crazy Jean questions more than anything else on the matter.

[Meehl]

Jean says they are one in Endsong. Death said the same thing. By now, you must know the related issues as Henry T.

Even Brevoort, who hates Jean, says the the DPS was pretty much Jean.

There are Phoenix threads for this. Jean was always connected to the phoenix force in a way that made Jean Always the PF. However, the Phoenix Force was NEVER just Jean. Phoenix is a cosmic force that has always existed, has had many prior and future avatars, and would have carried on fine had Jean never been born. Jean was always connected to the PF, The PF sleeps around.

[ZNOP]

Well put. I liked Iron Fist okay back in the day. And Richard Saxon in 'Enter the Dragon' was pretty badass. But this whole idea of the champion of Kun'lin (sp?) always being caucasian is pretty bogus.

For the record... The character named "Roper" in the movie "Enter The Dragon" Was played by "John Saxon"... I'm just saying

[Stopu]

Ridiculous.

I think that the main reason why Jean fans get mad when Phoenix is assigned to other characters is that Phoenix was the only interesting thing about Jean. Remove Phoenix and what you have? Perfect Jean. That's so boring.

Phoenix is more like a curse for fun characters like Hope and Rachel.

[Optic Rage]

Jean says they are one in Endsong. Death said the same thing. By now, you must know the related issues as Henry T.

Even Brevoort, who hates Jean, says the the DPS was pretty much Jean.

Yeah, but i was asking who was the first one to hint at it. Was it retconned in Classic that Jean in the DPS was essentially Jean? I guess that's been retconned too now.

[ZNOP]

I think that the main reason why Jean fans get mad when Phoenix is assigned to other characters is that Phoenix was the only interesting thing about Jean. Remove Phoenix and what you have? Perfect Jean. That's so boring.

Phoenix is more like a curse for fun characters like Hope and Rachel.

Don't think... No one elected you spokesperson for Grey/Summers fans? Speak for yourself!

Yeah, but i was asking who was the first one to hint at it. Was it retconned in Classic that Jean in the DPS was essentially Jean? I guess that's been retconned too now.

It wasn't hinted at -- it was stated out right that Phoenix/Jean Grey of Earth #811 never put her original body in a cocoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay by Rachel herself (flashback) In the #811 timeline there was no Dark Phoenix.

Uncanny X-Men #199

[MichaelChen]

The point of the original story was that Phoenix was just Jean's ultimate potential, and that a human mind couldn't cope with that much power and she went mad.

Retconning it into being a separate creature that possessed or replaced her was always a mistake, destroying the point of the original story.

[Optic Rage]

The point of the original story was that Phoenix was just Jean's ultimate potential, and that a human mind couldn't cope with that much power and she went mad.

Retconning it into being a separate creature that possessed or replaced her was always a mistake, destroying the point of the original story.

lol wait i thought Jean being possessed by a cosmic force was the original story? And the ultimate potential thing came later.

Edit - oop. I'm thinking of TAS. I forgot it was Byrne who came up with the whole cosmic entity thing.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

I think that the main reason why Jean fans get mad when Phoenix is assigned to other characters is that Phoenix was the only interesting thing about Jean. Remove Phoenix and what you have? Perfect Jean. That's so boring.

Phoenix is more like a curse for fun characters like Hope and Rachel.

That's a ridiculous statement. Rachel has never been fun.

[Stopu]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Don't think... No one elected you spokesperson for Grey/Summers fans? Speak for yourself!

I'm always trying to understand Jean fans. My mistake.

lol wait i thought Jean being possessed by a cosmic force was the original story? And the ultimate potential thing came later.

IMO, in the original saga, you can read it as you want. I am more inclined to think it like MichaelChen says, but the Shiar mention the chaos-bringer-don't-know-what else-entity.

That's a ridiculous statement. Rachel has never been fun.

Please, she is sleeping with an alien. That is hot and fun. <3