Peter Parker x Carlie Cooper: The Black Cat Connection

[Kevinroc]

I only said the The Red Hulk and Spider-Man have a few things in common. Besides, he just join the team. So it might take sometime for them to develop a working relationship. As for Captain America, you should check out Avenging Spider-Man #5 as it talked about the shared interest that they have as far as being geeks in school as concerned. Just as Spidey and Ms. Marvel bonded over their love for junk food. Those are some of the types of shared interest that could set the stage for a close friendship.

Again, I don't think Spidey's working relationships with Cap and Rulk can be compared to Wolverine, Human Torch and Daredevil. It takes more than a single issue to really establish such a thing.

[destro]

Since he DID tell Felicia, she might have been upset with the fact that he's seeing another woman. Thus, she placed a hex on him. Spider-Man's life resonate through Peter Parker as well. And let's not forget that her Bad Luck powers were restored to her around that time. So, Felicia was free to do whatever she wanted with her powers. Even to ensure that Spidey's secret identity life as Peter Parker would be affected as well.

That isn't how her powers work though, unless they have been changed since the last time I paid attention. The last I knew she had limited to no choice in how her powers worked. Just random bad things would happen to people who attacked her, or anyone who was regularly near her. She never put hexes on people, that was not part of her power set.

[Xenon]

That isn't how her powers work though, unless they have been changed since the last time I paid attention. The last I knew she had limited to no choice in how her powers worked. Just random bad things would happen to people who attacked her, or anyone who was regularly near her. She never put hexes on people, that was not part of her power set.

I believe, based upon the appearance that she is able to direct them as she pleases within her immediate vicinity. At least, that's how it made it seem. OF course, it doesn't work when she's not around, so that still doesn't work, but it's not completely happenstance.

And for what it's worth,it doesn't appear to have ever been truly uncontrollable, as if you read the original run in Spectacular, bad things seemed to happen in tandem with her emotional state. That is, when she was angry at Peter, bad stuff started happening to him.

[Darthfury78]

Again, I don't think Spidey's working relationships with Cap and Rulk can be compared to Wolverine, Human Torch and Daredevil. It takes more than a single issue to really establish such a thing.

I never said that they would establish a friendship after one issue. It would take a period of years, in publishing terms to see those types of friendships develop. Just as it took a period of years for Spidey to develop a friendship with Logan, Matt, and Johnny respectively.

[Kevinroc]

I never said that they would establish a friendship after one issue. It would take a period of years, in publishing terms to see those types of friendships develop. Just as it took a period of years for Spidey to develop a friendship with Logan, Matt, and Johnny respectively.

See, you brought up Captain America and Red Hulk and put them in the same sentence as Wolverine, Daredevil and Human Torch. The comparison came from you.

I never said a super heroine sidekick for Spider-Man. Did I? I simply said an expansion on type of crime fighting partnership that Spider-Man has with The Black Cat to be expanded to 6 other heroines who could fit into the type of stories that the writer wants to explore. The ladies that I have talked about could be a master list of heroines that would allow a writer to choose from if he doesn't want to use The Black Cat for the sort of stories that he wants to write about. There are some story arcs of which The Black Cat might not be suited for, or she is being used by another writer. So the master list gives the writer the option to use another heroine, like Spider-Woman or Psylocke for example. I never said that any of the women mentioned will have a romantic relationship with Spider-Man. The idea was to identify the heroines who have the sorts of feelings towards Spider-Man as The Black Cat (before OMD). Thus, the readers could see a diverse mix of the few heroines who are close friends with Spider-Man. This is no different from the types of partnership that Spider-Man has with his male superheroes like Wolverine, Daredevil, Human Torch, Captain America, or even The Red Hulk. So the female side of his partnerships are no different, besides the emotional tension that some of them have for Spider-Man.

Also, The Black Cat is not a sidekick of Spider-Man.

So far, we have seen an expansion of Spidey's female partnerships expanded to include: Ms. Marvel, Silver Sable, Spider-Woman, and The Black Widow. And this is in addition to The Black Cat. It would be cool to see Spider-Man have a close friendship with Psylocke and The She-Hulk as well. These are the sorts of women who might share a common interest with Spider-Man respectively, regardless if they are in a relationship with other people or not.

I agree that team-ups are fun. But this kind of thing that you make every single one of your posts about is very confusing. You claim you aren't shipping Peter with anyone and yet you say Spidey should have the kind of "partnership" with Black Widow that she had with Daredevil (which was a sexual relationship.)

Also, what's wrong with Peter having solo adventures and letting books like Avenging have him team-up with random characters? It doesn't need to mean anything beyond an issue or two team-up for fun? Who cares if they don't team up with Spidey again for years?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think it was doomed the moment in Punisher (by Rucka) that it was revealed Carlie was dating Detective Bolt there months back. It was in November/December when it was revealed.

[Kevinroc]

I think it was doomed the moment in Punisher (by Rucka) that it was revealed Carlie was dating Detective Bolt there months back. It was in November/December when it was revealed.

Carlie had already broken up with Peter by that point.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Carlie had already broken up with Peter by that point.

Well what time did #673 come out ? Because I see them break up there basically. From what my mind remembers of the exchange with Bolt and his partner Clemens , its Clemens who claims Bolt had been seeing Carlie awhile.

[Kevinroc]

Well what time did #673 come out ? Because I see them break up there basically. From what my mind remembers of the exchange with Bolt and his partner Clemens , its Clemens who claims Bolt had been seeing Carlie awhile.

It would have been November, I believe. But just because something is published doesn't mean they take place at the same point in time. X-Men Schism came out first, IIRC, but Marvel says it comes after Fear Itself, Avengers The Children's Crusade and Spider-Island.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It would have been November, I believe. But just because something is published doesn't mean they take place at the same point in time. X-Men Schism came out first, IIRC, but Marvel says it comes after Fear Itself, Avengers The Children's Crusade and Spider-Island.

Well to be fair dude ... publishing wise :

Fear Itself - April-October 2011

X-Men Schism - July-December 2011

Children Crusade - 2010-2012

In all I can see why they would say Schism happened after those events. Except for Spider-Island . I know it started in 2011. But with Schism , it really came out after the Fear Itself and Children's Crusade storylines began.

[Kevinroc]

Well to be fair dude ... publishing wise :

Fear Itself - April-October 2011

X-Men Schism - July-December 2011

Children Crusade - 2010-2012

In all I can see why they would say Schism happened after those events. Except for Spider-Island . I know it started in 2011. But with Schism , it really came out after the Fear Itself and Children's Crusade storylines began.

But it was over first. And Children's Crusade does kinda make things a little confusing. But the issue where the cop talks about dating Carlie would have to come after her break-up with Peter because then it would have spoiled their break-up. (Although those kinds of spoilers do happen at times.)

[Darthfury78]

I agree that team-ups are fun. But this kind of thing that you make every single one of your posts about is very confusing. You claim you aren't shipping Peter with anyone and yet you say Spidey should have the kind of "partnership" with Black Widow that she had with Daredevil (which was a sexual relationship.)

Also, what's wrong with Peter having solo adventures and letting books like Avenging have him team-up with random characters? It doesn't need to mean anything beyond an issue or two team-up for fun? Who cares if they don't team up with Spidey again for years?

With regards to The Black Widow, I was talking in retrospect around the time when she first battled with Spidey, there should have been a follow up to ASM #86. I simply felt that The Black Widow x Spider-Man could have had some interesting stories at that time. Spider-Man in the Black Widow's world could have been fun to read about in ASM.

As for the type of relationship between Spider-Man x Black Widow, it's just a working relationship. It can't be compared to her relationship with Daredevil, with was sexual, as you described. Fast forward to the present, if there is going to be more adventures between The Black Widow and Spider-Man, it's likely going to be featured in a potential mini-series outside of ASM. I am sure that the Black Widow will want Spider-Man to team-up with her (after going through all those recent adventures together in End of Earth storyline) on one of her solo adventures in case Bucky is unavailable. It would be nice to see them work together once again in the future.

I do agree that ASM should be about Spider-Man and his world. However, since he's an Avenger, it's likely that a few team-up adventures with them in a big story arc will occur every once in awhile.

But it was over first. And Children's Crusade does kinda make things a little confusing. But the issue where the cop talks about dating Carlie would have to come after her break-up with Peter because then it would have spoiled their break-up. (Although those kinds of spoilers do happen at times.)

Looks like Carlie quickly found someone else after she rid herself of Peter Parker. The Peter Parker luck works every time.

[Kevinroc]

With regards to The Black Widow, I was talking in retrospect around the time when she first battled with Spidey, there should have been a follow up to ASM #86. I simply felt that The Black Widow x Spider-Man could have had some interesting stories at that time. Spider-Man in the Black Widow's world could have been fun to read about in ASM.

As for the type of relationship between Spider-Man x Black Widow, it's just a working relationship. It can't be compared to her relationship with Daredevil, with was sexual, as you described. Fast forward to the present, if there is going to be more adventures between The Black Widow and Spider-Man, it's likely going to be featured in a potential mini-series outside of ASM. I am sure that the Black Widow will want Spider-Man to team-up with her (after going through all those recent adventures together in End of Earth storyline) on one of her solo adventures in case Bucky is unavailable. It would be nice to see them work together once again in the future.

I do agree that ASM should be about Spider-Man and his world. However, since he's an Avenger, it's likely that a few team-up adventures with them in a big story arc will occur every once in awhile.

Team-ups are fun. Trying to argue in favor of some kind of "working relationship" sounds boring and unfun. Let the Team-Ups be random and fun. I want to see one story where Spidey is teamed up with The Human Torch and the next where he teams up with Tigra and the next where he teams up with Frankenstein's Monster and the next with Havok and the next with The Scarlet Witch and the next with The Silver Surfer and the next with Mockingbird.

Trying to force team-ups just sounds very boring to me.

[thecrimson]

Team-ups are fun. Trying to argue in favor of some kind of "working relationship" sounds boring and unfun. Let the Team-Ups be random and fun. I want to see one story where Spidey is teamed up with The Human Torch and the next where he teams up with Tigra and the next where he teams up with Frankenstein's Monster and the next with Havok and the next with The Scarlet Witch and the next with The Silver Surfer and the next with Mockingbird.

Trying to force team-ups just sounds very boring to me.

I want to see him, but not for a long time, teamed up with Scarlet Spider.

[Darthfury78]

Team-ups are fun. Trying to argue in favor of some kind of "working relationship" sounds boring and unfun. Let the Team-Ups be random and fun. I want to see one story where Spidey is teamed up with The Human Torch and the next where he teams up with Tigra and the next where he teams up with Frankenstein's Monster and the next with Havok and the next with The Scarlet Witch and the next with The Silver Surfer and the next with Mockingbird.

Trying to force team-ups just sounds very boring to me.

I am not trying to force any team ups at all. When I talked about the said heroines, I was implying that the ones I have mentioned have mutual feelings for Spider-Man. And the only way for a mutual relationship to be establish is by dating. And I believed that part of the relationship should be kept in the background, like the one he has with Carol Danvers as friends. The reason why I felt that Ms. Marvel, Silver Sable, Psylocke, Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, or Black Widow could work is because of shared interest in the same manner as he had with The Black Cat before OMD ever happened. This is just a list of heroines who might have an interest with Spider-Man. It does give another writer the option of using any one of them from that list to use in a story with Spider-Man. I never said that any of these heroines will ever have the sort of relationship that Spidey had with the Pre-OMD Black Cat. But the list comes quite close to the sorts of heroines who would want a similar relationship with Spider-Man.