How exactly does it merge the two "quite well?"
How exactly does it merge the two "quite well?"
I just don't understand what Bertinelli's death adds to the story, it would've been just as simple to say that Wayne took upon the guise after the mob princess went into protect services. If they wanted to rile up controversy before their first issue, then congrats.
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And THIS is why I don't read DC Comics anymore.
If they're going to kill off characters who had previously been important ... who had been STARRING characters in a series ... off-panel, with an announcement like that ... then clearly those in charge don't care about the characters. And if THEY don't care, why should we get attached to any characters who aren't starring in movies, hit animated series, and so on? Why should we care about anyone other than the Trinity of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman?
Anyway, this is NOT how you kill off an established character, unless the actor who played the character died (or the actor and the producers had a falling out. See Shannon Doherty and the series 'Charmed' for one example). But these are comic books we're talking about here. Comic book characters don't have actors. Writers don't have to kill off the characters when the actors die, or kill them off or otherwise write them out in an undignified way if the actor upsets the people running the show. Despite this, we see characters in comic books die in this sort of undignified 'soap opera' manner all the time.
And that's NOT how you should kill off a character. Characters should be given a good last moment. They should die in a story that features them as an important character, in a manner fitting the character. Good examples are Barry Allen and Kara Zor-El in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Back then, they were given heroic, dramatic, emotional farewells.
But I get the impression these days Kara Zor-El would instead get a one-line mention of how she accidentally encountered a Gold Kryptonite meteor while she was flying, lost her powers, and fell to her death. Sadly, comic books in general are not written as good as they used to for the most part. Though I'm sure if the editors tasked Gail Simone with writing Helena out, she would have made it a LOT more meaningful.
I wonder if attempting to ward off ongoing speculation about when/if Helena B was going to show up was possibly part of the motivation for such an upfront offing?
By doing it this way, they are basically saying she's not going to. While quietly keeping to themselves the option of pulling a surprise down the line at their own leisure.
Quoting from an old YABS post, in one of the Ryan Choi threads...
In other words, even if she does not like what happens to characters she writes once other writers/editors get a hold of them, there isn't much she can do about it. If the editors really want Helena Bertinelli gone, forgotten, and thrown in the trash, then Gail can't very well use her again without pissing off those who wanted her gone.Originally Posted by Gail Simone
Whether Helena Bertinelli will ever be seen again depends on just how badly those in charge want the books closed on her. If they REALLY want her gone, then this will probably be the final word on her. If, on the other hand, this is just laziness and they don't care what happens to her, it's possible someone could do something. But very few 'fridged' characters ever return from the dead, sadly.
Gail probably would have already brought Ryan Choi back to life if she thought she could get away with it. But she hasn't, because it would probably be more trouble than it's worth to go against those who sicced the Plot Reaper onto Ryan Choi.
EDIT: For those who don't follow TV Tropes, the Plot Reaper is a term used for killing off a character because they stand in the way of the story the writer wishes to tell. Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru go this way in Star Wars, the Kraken goes this way in the third Pirates of the Carribean movie ... and Helena Bertinelli has clearly gone this way.
Last edited by Chris Lang; 05-01-2012 at 07:41 PM.
For me, Helena Bertinelli had a great final appearance in the last issue of Secret Six, along with the only version of Bane I've ever liked as a character.
That's the problem with a lot of the characters they left out of the relaunch, they just don't fit very well with what DC is trying to do with the relaunch. It sucks for those people who are most attached to those characters, but it makes sense with their stated goals.
Anyone who thinks DC is bringing back the Silver Age doesn't know what the Silver Age is.
There is no such word as "persay," it's per se, two words, from the Latin.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain" Steven Pinker
But if I'd given up on DC I would have missed out the great Jack Knight Starman, growing to like the Helena Bertinelli Huntress and reading the different takes of Chase Lawler and Kate Spencer Manhunters (the Rusch Firestorm was so-so and I'm on the fence of the new Firestorm).
In search of Claire...or Libby Hoeler :D
"What is illness to the body of a knight-errant? What matter wounds? For each time he falls, he shall rise again, and woe to the wicked.
As a fan of Spider-Man's marriage, I offer sincere condolences to Post-Crisis Huntress fans everywhere.
I know that feel, bro.
"If you can't say anything good about someone, sit right here by me." - Alice Roosevelt Longworth, on manners
"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose." - Peter David, on life
No such respect is given to Helena Bertinelli. She's just treated like an embarrasment that DC wanted swept under the rug. And the symbolism of her passport being burned indicated that those in charge feel the same way about her as those behind 'One More Day' felt about Spider-Man's marriage. Instead of being treated like the important, strong, character who had plenty of fans, she's instead treated as if she were a mistake.
Very insulting to her fans.
I guess at this point the only advice that can be given to her fans is to re-read Grant Morrison's Animal Man, which deals sympathetically with characters who've been written out of the continuity. We probably won't get any more new material featuring her, but as stated in Animal Man, comic book characters' lives are replayed every time people read the old comic books. So in a sense, they never die. They outlive their creators, they outlive their gods.
Last edited by Chris Lang; 05-02-2012 at 06:22 AM.
While I did enjoy the Bertinelli Huntress a lot, she was always a post-Crisis update of the Helena Wayne character. I don't view them as distinct entities but rather as flipsides of the same basic character (kind of like Elseworlds characters). Still, some of DC's decisions over the years have angered and disappointed me, so I can empathize with Bertinelli fans who feel like they've been given the shaft.
"If God is the answer, the wrong question has been asked."
I've never really understood the notion of being insulted because a comic company decides to stop publishing a fictional character that I enjoy. I'm not saying no one here has the right to feel that way, but personally I just shrug and find something else to read.
The only thing they have in common is the code name and first name.While I did enjoy the Bertinelli Huntress a lot, she was always a post-Crisis update of the Helena Wayne character. I don't view them as distinct entities but rather as flipsides of the same basic character (kind of like Elseworlds characters). Still, some of DC's decisions over the years have angered and disappointed me, so I can empathize with Bertinelli fans who feel like they've been given the shaft.