Queen Bee in the cartoon is pretty awesome; especially hearing Counselor Troi's voice threatening teenage heroes. It'll be cool to see Wonder Girl tackle her, actually; some lasso-of-truth versus thrall-master-slavery.
"Everything hs changed. ‘Dark’ entertainment now looks like hysterical, adolescent, ‘Zibarro’ crap." - Morrison, 2008.
Pre-Crisis version of Nubia was a twin sister of Diana, possessing only the black skin as the main distinct factor. It's due to this fact that Maximum Impact and myself have put emphasis in the strange physical resemblance between Young Justice's Queen Bee and Young Justice's Wonder Woman in this context of commenting the curious parallels in design between Queen Bee and Pre Crisis's Nubia. Specialy relevant if we take into account the facts that those characteristics and resemblances were totaly absent of ANY PREVIOUS version of Queen Bee as portrayed in ANY kind of media.
Post Crisis's Nu'bia ( take notice of the little but relevant difference) is not realy relevant to this thread because she and Diana were not related to the same extent.
But as I've tried to clarify, Phil Jimenez, in Post Infinite/Final Crisis period , retroactively, reestablished the notion of Nubia as a kind of Diana's twin.
She's made an appearance in the poster included in Wonder Woman 600, drawn by Phill Jimenez.
Last edited by PauloIapetus; 05-10-2012 at 05:55 PM.
i'm sorry PauloIapetus, but a lesson on the history of pre-crisis Nubia is not going to change the fact that the villain in Young Justice is Queen Bee & that Queen Bee looks nothing like Nubia. They do not share design features, any more then me wearing pants & you wearing pants makes us the same person.
At this point, your inability to yield a moot point is coming off more as mule headed stubborness, then cleverness: Nor will any amount of history lessons on pre-crisis continuity going to make your statement of a design connection between Nubia & Queen Bee any the less imagined. I think at this point, it'd be best to conceed the point, as all that is going to happen is that people are going to continue to tell you that you are wrong: An to be fair, at this point you are demonstrably wrong.
Kelly Warrior Princess, I'm sorry, but, since that you are truly not interested in reading the content of the thread before making your posts I'll, equaly, make use of my prerrogative of not reading or answering your replys.
I truly think that I've made my point clear enough to anyone actualy interested in comprehend it. I'm sorry if the thread was not enticing to your tastes and not sufficiently engaging to provoke your intellect or attention.
In order to explain this to you Dr Hurt Id 'have to make posts even more demanding in terms of time and attention than the previous ones were, which would not be advisable. It's an obvious thing to conclude because "my theory" was already so grossly misunderstood by several people that have posted in the topic.PauloIapetus can you answer this for me please?
What if your theory is true? I mean... at the end of the day, this character has only appeared in a couple of episodes. WHO THE HELL CARES WHO SHE IS?
Given the obvious level of missaplied attention and misunderstanding plaguing the thread, it's fair to conclude that our time would be better employed elsewhere. Will all the due respect to yourself,
Anyways, if your question is due to true curiosity and was not simply a rhetorical one, try to read the previous messages more attentively because, quite frankly, I think that the innuendoes 'd become clearer to you.
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This from the guy who filled 5 pages with a diatribe on Nubia, a character mostly forgotten, a character he NEEDS Queen Bee to be in the YJ cartoon.
- Is QB Nubia?
- Are you sure?
- Yes, they called her QB in the show.
- Well what if they wanted her to be Nubia at first but then changed it?
- She's QB and it's just the animation making everyone look the same.
- But what if....
- She's Queen Bee now, so who cares what they planned?
- Yeah but it's a conspiracy....
Sure, every bit as clear as the fact that I've already said before that Genocide and Theana, characters of Gail Simone's run, were "realy" the original Shim'tar in disguise.
And, FYI, I wasn't alone or even the first in pointing out the resemblances between Diana and Young Justice's Queen Bee.
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Without any shadow of doubt, they must have been the same person, exactly in the same way that Ramona Fradon's Aquaman and Superman were the same being in the old Superfriend's comic, with the same hairdo, just with different colours. Oh YEAH!!!
The Kryptonian powers of Pre-Crisis Superman were great enought to enable him to appear/exist simultaneously in two places all the time!! How have I not realized this simple truth before?
Brilliant observation, very apropos!!!
Last edited by PauloIapetus; 05-10-2012 at 05:48 PM.
Oh, sometimes, no, you simply cant win at all.
Quite frankly, Dr Hurt, would you say that, for instance, knowing that Genocide was originaly intended as a resurrected Knockout ( a fact confirmed by Gail Simone in those boards) doesn't help to explain some strange ocurrences in The Rise of the Olympians storyline?
Discarded ideas and analogies, sometimes, shown where are/were the goals of the artists in a so much more clear way than the finished product with the new substitute idea just copied and pasted above the old one. Take a look in the Odyssey's case, too, an example that, IMO, shown quite well the relevance that, sometimes, such an exchange/censorship might exert in a storyline.
Maybe ( and I truly hope so), this isn't/will not be the case of Queen Bee ( asssuming that there was a scratched idea) but how we can say for sure before the conclusion of the series?
I'm here expecting that I've making myself clearer to you. This thread of mine doesn't have anything to do with a wish from myself of seeing Nubia adapted to Cartoon media at all costs as you have insisted to say; it's simple curiosity and a realization that events such as these are a recurrent fact in Wonder Woman's history of adaptations to other media and speculation about the impact that it might have had in the series development/direction.
Several prominent characters of Wonder Woman's rogues gallery are deemed as politicaly incorrect and , thus, unsuitable to be faithfully adapted to other types of media. Nubia, Doctor Psycho( originaly calqued in the stereotyped image of the "Jewish" villain) and even the powered by Hecate Circe together with the powered by Urzkartaga Cheetah might have been good examples of this and, quite possibly, this fact could help to explain their frequent mischaracterizations in the comic itself, with their histories jetissoned from time to time without any explanations.
Take notice of the anomalous entire backstory/characterization of Circe in JLA Unlimited and her (IMO) not so casual resemblance to the design and characterization of Marvel's Sersi in apparent replacement of her "true origin"/looks as portrayed in the DCU. In the JLA Unlimited she was flirtatious,upbeat while her DCU's counterpart is nihilistic, sour( though this fact is, frequently, disguised behind a flivorous facade/veneer). The treatment given to Circe in the cartoon has made Circe an almost exact counterpart to the Eternal Marvel Sersi and this choice seemed to be grafted into the character's design.
In the Marvel Universe, indeed, the Eternal WAS the true original Circe with her actual name ( Sersi)misspelled by mortal chroniclers.
This doesn't imply that I'm saying that the two characters "were" the same person, just that aspects from both of them were conflated due to political convenience, and it is this aspect, the "political" that seems to be frequently neglected by the fandom while analysing/judging storyline/characterizations choices.
Hope that have helped.
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