Azzarello and Chiang at Chicago Con-- Spoilers--?

[Seant]

http://bit.ly/KdDIzA

Ha. I suspected Azzarello talking about Steve Trevor appearing in the book was just a joke Azzarello made while Didio was present. I think that's why Steve is getting developed in the JL book, and Etta too-- Johns wanted the basics present in Diana's status quo, even if Azzarello is ignoring it.

Seems like the goddesses will start appearing, "soon." Interesting note about Diana's 4th sponsor. Who is it? (and who's the third? Ares? Hera?)

[Reginleif]

http://bit.ly/KdDIzA

Ha. I suspected Azzarello talking about Steve Trevor appearing in the book was just a joke Azzarello made while Didio was present. I think that's why Steve is getting developed in the JL book, and Etta too-- Johns wanted the basics present in Diana's status quo, even if Azzarello is ignoring it.

Seems like the goddesses will start appearing, "soon." Interesting note about Diana's 4th sponsor. Who is it? (and who's the third? Ares? Hera?)

Alex Jones keeps saying the new world order will be getting us 'soon' too.

[Seant]

Unlike Alex Jones, Azz and Chiang have some control over the timeline. And they know what they're talking about.

[Dr. Hurt]

I wish they'd scripted this out or had someone asking them questions to get them going. They felt a bit awkward and not knowing what to say.

I'm intrigued by this new sponsor. Zeus? Hephaestus?

[DarkKnghtJared]

I wish they'd scripted this out or had someone asking them questions to get them going. They felt a bit awkward and not knowing what to say.

I'm intrigued by this new sponsor. Zeus? Hephaestus?

More than likely they had someone asking them questions, but they edit the questioner out. Any awkwardness probably comes from Chaing taking Azz's lead and Azz, as we all know at this point, has a speaking style that's very direct and to the point, much like the other famed vigilante he's writing at the moment.

[Gaelforce]

I think I'm just tired of hearing 'she was this perfect person from a perfect society' line. She wasn't perfect (as has been pointed out over and over and over again over the past decade worth of comics) and Themyscira wasn't perfect (it was a gate to Tartarus, there was the Circle, they were a bit on the xenophobic side ;) )

And the 'perfect people can't be heroes - they're just being themselves' line just rubbed me the wrong way. Nice to know Superman isn't a hero <grin>

[wagthedog]

I think I'm just tired of hearing 'she was this perfect person from a perfect society' line. She wasn't perfect (as has been pointed out over and over and over again over the past decade worth of comics) and Themyscira wasn't perfect (it was a gate to Tartarus, there was the Circle, they were a bit on the xenophobic side ;) )

And the 'perfect people can't be heroes - they're just being themselves' line just rubbed me the wrong way. Nice to know Superman isn't a hero <grin>

You gotta remember, this is the argument that many will make about Wonder Womans prior history. It doesn't matter that we can give and have given examples to the contrary. We are all masters of the hyperbole. From one extreme statement to another, not many shades of gray, us internet posters.

[americanwonder]

I think I'm just tired of hearing 'she was this perfect person from a perfect society' line. She wasn't perfect (as has been pointed out over and over and over again over the past decade worth of comics) and Themyscira wasn't perfect (it was a gate to Tartarus, there was the Circle, they were a bit on the xenophobic side ;) )

And the 'perfect people can't be heroes - they're just being themselves' line just rubbed me the wrong way. Nice to know Superman isn't a hero <grin>

Oh how I loathe that line. Particularly when Azzarello uses it. Why? Because he said he didn't want 'black and white,' right? So why must he use 'black and white' to discuss the previous WW and Amazons who were not 'black and white'?

[Outside_85]

I think I'm just tired of hearing 'she was this perfect person from a perfect society' line. She wasn't perfect (as has been pointed out over and over and over again over the past decade worth of comics) and Themyscira wasn't perfect (it was a gate to Tartarus, there was the Circle, they were a bit on the xenophobic side ;) )

And the 'perfect people can't be heroes - they're just being themselves' line just rubbed me the wrong way. Nice to know Superman isn't a hero <grin>

What WW book have you been reading?

[Fate's Faith]

I think I'm just tired of hearing 'she was this perfect person from a perfect society' line. She wasn't perfect (as has been pointed out over and over and over again over the past decade worth of comics) and Themyscira wasn't perfect (it was a gate to Tartarus, there was the Circle, they were a bit on the xenophobic side ;) )

Well, you can be tired of it but if that's the preconception of people then doesn't that prove that something did not click? At some point, the preconcieved notion becomes the accepted viewpoint unless addressed.

[Zagreus]

I think I'm just tired of hearing 'she was this perfect person from a perfect society' line. She wasn't perfect (as has been pointed out over and over and over again over the past decade worth of comics) and Themyscira wasn't perfect (it was a gate to Tartarus, there was the Circle, they were a bit on the xenophobic side ;) )

And the 'perfect people can't be heroes - they're just being themselves' line just rubbed me the wrong way. Nice to know Superman isn't a hero <grin>

Oh, I think Azz is absolutely right, there's no character drama with a perfect person, it's all superficial. If Superman is written as a perfect person (and I'd argue that he doesn't have to be written that way, he can have character flaws as well, probably relatively minor ones, but still) there is nothing to over come, no internal struggle. True heroism is overcoming oneself, the internal struggle rather than the external. Thats what gives a story depth and makes a story come to life. If you start with a character who is perfect, where is the journey, the heroic struggle. Sure bad guys can be fought, but the story is, by neccesity, shallow and not worth reading.

[DarkKnghtJared]

I would argue that you could have a character that tries to do non-violent solutions before fighting--I think stuff like Morrison's All-Star Superman showed that really well, not to mention modern Doctor Who. Otherwise, I grok what they're saying and looking forward to what happens next.

Seems like the goddesses will start appearing, "soon." Interesting note about Diana's 4th sponsor. Who is it? (and who's the third? Ares? Hera?)

I think the three they're talking about are the three that's mentioned: Athena, Artemis, and Aphrodite. As for the forth...my guess is Zeus. I mean, he obviously had a fairly major role in her creation, but perhaps he does more?

[slvn]

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Ha. I suspected Azzarello talking about Steve Trevor appearing in the book was just a joke Azzarello made while Didio was present. I think that's why Steve is getting developed in the JL book, and Etta too-- Johns wanted the basics present in Diana's status quo, even if Azzarello is ignoring it.

Seems like the goddesses will start appearing, "soon." Interesting note about Diana's 4th sponsor. Who is it? (and who's the third? Ares? Hera?)

How about Strife as a kind of behind-the scenes sponsor? Maybe she created a conflict between some of the goddesses an Ares, leading the goddesses to create Paradise Island. And may she meant for them to do this because she thought it would eventually lead to strife between the Amazons and men.

[Seant]

I was thinking the three main goddesses would be Aphrodite, Athena, and Hera. The first two because they're the traditional deities, and Hera because we've already seen her importance to Hippolyte and the Amazons. Of course, it could be Artemis as well, seeing as she's historically the Amazons' benefactor, and it would make sense for their stridency against men.

As for the 4th-- Strife, Ares, Zeus are all contenders-- but Azzarello and Chiang suggested we'd be surprised. Those three all seem to much like likely suspects.

[slvn]

Of course, it could be Artemis as well, seeing as she's historically the Amazons' benefactor, and it would make sense for their stridency against men.

The question they're responding to mentions Artemis along with Aphrodite and Athena, and they don't dispute that she's one of the patrons, so I think it's her.

As for the 4th-- Strife, Ares, Zeus are all contenders-- but Azzarello and Chiang suggested we'd be surprised. Those three all seem to much like likely suspects.

Good point--but maybe they think Strife is non-obvious because she seems like more of an antagonist than a sponsor? And the same could be said of Ares. Of course, you're right that they're likely suspects if we're expecting a little but of a curve ball.

Who would be truly unlikely, I wonder? Persephone? Hades? Hecate? Dionysus? Eros? Pan? Hermaphroditus?