EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: "Avengers Vs X-Men" #3

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I've read more stories with the Phoenix then anybody involved in this story. I actually know that the first Dark Phoenix wasn't Jean, that Rachel was the Phoenix for years and acted heroically, that Wolverine had his life saved by Jean's Phoenix powers when they were in an asteroid hurling towards the sun. I know that, the character who lived through those events should know that and so should anyone who writes a story about the damn Phoenix!
So quit the sarcastic coments. The only thing you need to have read to know that the Phoenix destroys things is reading this stupid story, where that was already stated a million times. You have any other obscure knowledge about the characters? Like Spiderman clings to walls, or something?

What about the poor vegetable people? Didn't the Phoenix kill them?

I'm actually enjoying AVX very much thus far and I think it's very well written.

I am curious to see how Cap intends to handle Logan though.

[graffiX]

We all have to agree on one thing. Romita is owning this art. Looks great.

The art has only been "ok" IMO. It just looks rushed in some panels. Don't know how much you can blame that on JR JR or the inker, but regardless it's just not blowing me away.

[Jota]

Given the circumstances I think it's actually possible Hope might be fine with Steve taking her into custody. Not saying that's a given, but she might. If you're being taken over by a cosmic entity that's a potential threat to the planet, then it could be a problem. Logan trying to kill her is probably more of a deal breaker though.

Yes, he just attacked her home, destroying anything in his path, to imprison or exile her for something she hasn't done yet. I bet she just loves him to death now. At least Wolverine thought she was becoming the DP when he attacked her. Cap doesn't have a clue about what he's doing

And for what it's worth, I think it works better than Civil War. Since this is a potential global threat, I think they're more justified in acting in an extreme manner. In Civil War, there wasn't actually a problem that needed to be fixed. It was really just a lot of politics and public opinion which manufactured the crisis more than anything else.

It was also written by a guy who's 30 times the writer then the ones working on this piece of crap. And he sucks! Millar's writing is imature, uninteligent garbage and he would still come up with something better then this. A monkey would do a better job!

[stillanerd]

No, no, no, Cap. You're doing it all wrong. In order to properly settle your dispute with Wolverine, you must first shout "I AM A MAN!" at the top of your lungs and then punch Wolverine. And not in the face but in the gut, since that part of Wolverine's body isn't protected by his adamantum-laced skeleton and thereby avoiding the possibility of breaking every single bone in your hand. It's common debating skills 101 as explained in this guy's vid:



Seriously, though, am I the only one who finds it ironic that the only person who is considering what Hope wants is the guy who she asked to kill her if she ever loses control of herself as a result of the Phoenix? (Well, Emma Frost is, too, but of course she's going right along with her increasingly-obsessive boyfriend). Of course, we all know that Hope is very likely not going to be the new host for the Phoenix anyway, which makes this spat between Cap and Wolverine ultimately even more pointless.

[HopeLantern]

Wow...maybe X-fans are right that Cap didn't really give Cyclops a chance to speak in Issue #1. It's rare to see Cap so reactive and with the shoot first ask questions later mentality.

[vitruvian]

Nothing opens up the lines of communication more than a right hook, right Cap?

Actually, a left hook is evidently better.

Why all the complaints? This proves that Cap has no intention of murdering Hope.

One does have to wonder what Logan's thinking. Past history has proven that killing a host before the Phoenix takes possession is unlikely to be effective; if it brought Jean back from her grave, there's nothing saying it gives up and goes pffft if he kills Hope.

[vitruvian]

Many people think that Scott's going to come out of this as a psychopath but I really think it'll more likely be Steve.

How is the guy who doesn't intend murder the greater psychopath?

[John Ossie]

Everyone is acting pretty irrational.

Yep

What the hell, Cap?

I know.

Why are they doing a manual search? What happened to the "Phoenix Detector" that led them to find Hope on Utopia in the first place?

I was wondering that but maybe like someone else said maybe it only works when there's a flare-up?

Latveria? So will Doom or Kristoff try to take advantage of this for their own purposes?

If they don't then it's a wasted opportunity story-wise imo.

Yay! Character derailment for everyone!

Lol tell me about it.

I'm speachless at how stupid this "story" is turning out to be. From what I've seens, Civil War is Shakespeare next to this. Truely baffling.

Peace

It is a pretty dumb story right now, still hoping it'll improve later on but not holding breath.

Why is Cap sending only Spider-Woman and Spider-Man to Latveria? Black Panther and Iron Fist are capable of holding Wakanda or whatever, but to send only two street-level heroes to Latveria.. that's just wrong.

Maybe Spider-Man and Spider-Woman will have SHIELD back-up or something? If not then I'm confused as well.

Do you really think that actual images and words right there on the page will stop the deluded fantasies of the poster-who-shall-not-be named for more than a heartbeat?

Oh my dear, sweet, innocent boy.

LOL Quoted for truth.

The punch seemed.... unwarranted.

Agreed. MikeKerrIII will be in his element when he sees that.

Wolverine got it backwards. You're supposed to SAVE the cheerleader.

LOL ''Save the cheerleader. Save the world'' haha nice little ''Heroes'' reference there.

What do you mean, HIS people?!

Lol I do think it would've sounded better had he said TEAM instead of PEOPLE.

Wow, this is some of the worst writing I've ever seen! It's downright pathetic! Chuck Austen would be disgusted with those pages. This is the worst excuse to have two heroes fighting I've ever seen! It makes Civil War look amazing. It makes instructions on how to use condoms look amazing.
Is there even an atempt of making sense in this thing? Cap attacks Hope's home with an army and it's Wolverine's fault she ran away! How did he though this was going to go? He beats up all the X-Men, takes her prisioner and she's going to be fine with it?
He made Wolverine an avenger with the sole pourpose of killing people and now, he's shocked Wolverine decided to kill someone? Really?
His way of reasoning with the imensely dangerous killing machine is punching him in the face. REALLY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The guy needs help! Help in the form of a straightjacket and a padded cell! He's completely insane!

And what's really bad about this is that Brubaker is trying to make him look good. He's trying to make him look like he's the one in the right! It's insanity!

As for Wolverine all I have to say is this:

HE SAW AT LEAST TWO PHOENIX HOSTS SAVE THE WORLD! SEVERAL TIMES! HIS LIFE WAS SAVED BY JEAN USING PHOENIX'S POWERS!
NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE! IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE A STORY WITH THE PHOENIX, BRING A WRITER WHO READ A SINGLE STORY WITH THE PHOENIX ONCE!

I thought this event was going to be bad but I never thought it would be this bad. And it's getting worse with every issue! If it keeps going at this rate , the last issue is going to tear a hole in the fabric of reality by shear writing ineptitude and the World is going to end in 2012, just like the Mayans predicted.

Writing has not been good at this point that's for certain and I agree with your points regarding Cap and Wolverine.

I thought was supposed to be this great strategic tactician. Punching a teammate in the face because he doesn't agree with you isn't exactly a good move, nor is it realistic. This fight seems kind of forced. I thought Wolverine would have started it before Cap.

I was expecting Wolverine to start the fight with Cap first myself as well.

Cap punching Wolverine because he won't listen is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. First off...even if he wanted to detain wolverine...shouldn't he have a plan beyond a sucker punch? The guy has a healing factor after all.

Probably done just for shock value.

Personally, I have to disagree with that one. Cap punching Wolvie felt really out of place. The conversation really didn't call for it. Wolvie didn't seem irrational. In fact he made some fair points. For someone as diplomatic as Cap, punching Wolvie seemed really unnecessary.

Whether or not Wolverine made fair points is open for debate. However Cap punching Wolverine in the face did seem totally unnecessary at least imo.

They should have an issue that's more X-Men's perspective. We've been following the Avengers too much!

Well there are the Uncanny X-Men books and Wolverine And The X-Men books as well as X-Men Legacy books for their point of view. And it seems Gage is going to focus on X-23's point of view but I do get your point in that the AVX main book itself seems to focus more on the Avengers point of view.

Ill give you that, especially after two Avenger victories in VS.

Which were ridiculous imo.

If Wolverine gets kicked off the Avengers this whole event will be worth it.

Well if the preview is anything to go by than you may get your wish.

Wonder how quickly Cap's broken hand is gonna heal?

Probably won't even be bruised lol.

I'm glad to see even Avenger fans thought those Versus #1 fights were stupid.

Well I can't speak for other Avengers fans but I for one do agree that the Versus 1 fights were stupid.

[vitruvian]

Okay, now Captain America is being the big jerk. Wolverine probably knows more about the Phoenix than anyone else in the Avengers. His words should carry some weight. But Cap's response...punch him in the face. He's Captain America, not George W. Bush. This doesn't bode well because now it's making him out to be the bully. It's exactly what Cable warned Cyclops of in X-Sanction. Just when it seemed like the X-men were being set up as the bad guys, the Avengers stop playing nice. It may be unpatriotic, but I love it!

Bringing Wolverine's knowledge into it doesn't help, because that knowledge should tell Logan that killing Hope is not the best plan. If it were, he should have killed Rachel long ago, and Jean the moment she came back from that cocoon. Of course, the world , the entire universe, would have long since ended if he'd done either...

[dbcb314]

What about the poor vegetable people? Didn't the Phoenix kill them?

I'm actually enjoying AVX very much thus far and I think it's very well written.

I am curious to see how Cap intends to handle Logan though.

The Phoenix was shown to blow up another planet on the way to earth this time as well in WatXM cross over

[vitruvian]

He's also seen the Phoenix want to destroy things... maybe you should read a few more stories with the Phoenix, eh?

If Hope needs to die, then so did Jean and Rachel the whole time Logan worked with them on teams. If it wasn't necessary to kill them immediately upon manifesting Phoenix powers, it's not necessary to kill Hope.

[vitruvian]

Well... That was awful. I was actually enjoying the character interaction, then... What the heck? For once, characters are talking like intelligent people and I was engaged in the "story" (if you can call it that) and then, "I didn't want it to have to come to this." *PUNCH TO THE FACE*

That was RIDICULOUS. What is Cap's plan? Beating his point of view into Logan until Logan agrees with it? This event...is so sad...

Actually, the fact that it won't do Logan any permanent harm is kind of the point. Shoot, you could shoot the guy just to get his attention.

[Mark_S]

Marvel has provided CBR with an exclusive preview of Ed Brubaker and John Romita Jr.'s "Avengers Vs X-Men" #3. Captain America and Wolverine square off as the threat of the Phoenix looms closer on May 2!


Full article here.

Can't these people have one conversation without hitting each other? I've seen elementary school kids on a playground settled disputes with more sense. If Hope is smart she'll stay away from both groups.

Mark_S

[Ziggy Stardust]

If Hope needs to die, then so did Jean and Rachel the whole time Logan worked with them on teams. If it wasn't necessary to kill them immediately upon manifesting Phoenix powers, it's not necessary to kill Hope.

Maybe Hope isn't secretly lusting after Logan and visa versa. Ergo, she's fair game for DA CLAWZZZ!

[Daithi]

What about the poor vegetable people? Didn't the Phoenix kill them?

Yes after being driven nuts by Mastermind and feasting on a star. It wasn't even aware there was a planet beside it.