Ultimates #9 Spoilers/Discussion

[sage6paths]

He's not, I still talk to MrV and Codah isn't him lol

Unless your MrV

[Kurolegacy]

The ability to manipulate reality.

Gotta agree here. While Jean may make you believe that something that isn't there is, Magician can literally create something out of nothing. Case in point, without even having full control of his powers, he was able to create a fake Nick Fury and two sets of The Brotherhood. It'd be pretty awesome if he used his powers as a way of jump starting Logan's healing factor from the arm that's been left behind finding something going on that with Kitty's X-Men team that he'd need some help for. Sadly if he did ever show up again, I don't see his sticking around or staying alive for very long since he's the one character who actually could mess with the UU being more grounded but that all depends on how he's used.

[Havok C.]

The ability to manipulate reality.

I feel like the latter is more powerful. Yeah, you could make it so you're god, but if you don't have people that accept it, then it could lead to your downfall.

[sage6paths]

I feel like the latter is more powerful. Yeah, you could make it so you're god, but if you don't have people that accept it, then it could lead to your downfall.

Agreed. I would say that the Magician is the Scarlet Witch of the Ultimate Universe even though its Ironic that we already had a Scarlet Witch. I could probably see the whole Magician vs Jean Gray battle as like the Ultimatized House of M .

[Kurolegacy]

I feel like the latter is more powerful. Yeah, you could make it so you're god, but if you don't have people that accept it, then it could lead to your downfall.

While that is true, Magician has proven that when he warps reality with his powers, it also affects the minds of those whom benefits him for the warp so he's pretty much got both ends covered.

[Answer Driven]

The Cosmic Cube made an appearance with Ultimate Thanos. Having Thanos come back, seeing as he is alive, well, and in possession of the cube in another time, would be good to see.

Zorn came out of almost nowhere.

I can appreciate how powerful they made Hulk, in terms of destroying 1/3rd of The City while ranting about how healthy he is.

I would have liked to have seen Thor receive more merit and done more. He had significant offense, but was soundly defeated both in full God mode and in Stark tech armor.

Something VERY important Reed says...

"I can only be destroyed by great violence".

I interpreted this as Richards forecasting his death in the form of a Hulk rampage.

Other possibilities are available, but I only associated great violence with Hulk lol.

[sage6paths]

The Cosmic Cube made an appearance with Ultimate Thanos. Having Thanos come back, seeing as he is alive, well, and in possession of the cube in another time, would be good to see.

Zorn came out of almost nowhere.

I can appreciate how powerful they made Hulk, in terms of destroying 1/3rd of The City while ranting about how healthy he is.

I would have liked to have seen Thor receive more merit and done more. He had significant offense, but was soundly defeated both in full God mode and in Stark tech armor.

Something VERY important Reed says...

"I can only be destroyed by great violence".

I interpreted this as Richards forecasting his death in the form of a Hulk rampage.

Other possibilities are available, but I only associated great violence with Hulk lol.

Its doubtful. Fire has only ever truly affected him. He feels pain but nothing can really kill him. He has been stabbed but he has no organs. He has been stretched to the limit but he recovered and I doubt he has a limit now. If Zorn can beat Hulk I think Reed could too.

[Robbie_Jee]

The fight with Zorn happened "Northwest of Tian," ie not at the City, with the Children sent there to wipe Tian out. The City was already hit by the nukes.

Zorn took out an Expeditionary Force, just outside of Tian. There was little radiation because the Dynamos and scrubbers absorbed most of it.

Not to be the third one, but the nukes totally hit. That's the entire reason Reed sent the kid-nuke to Washington. If Xorn had attacked the City, Reed would've blown up Tian...

I'm gonna be the fourth. The Nukes hit the City. They were just advanced enough to survive mostly intact. 12% destroyed was probably acceptable by Reed's standards. Also, the writer and artist have control on time and the series of events in their comics so they chose not to show us the rockets hitting or the blast. Also, one panel could take place in the present and the next could be minutes, hours, days, weeks later if they wanted. Thats what happens in the "gutters" between panels.

Four of you? Ok, well I suppose I must be wrong then. I've gotta go read that issue again because I was completely unaware. Damn you, Hickman and your crazy pacing!

I hate how Hickman rushes past these main events so quickly, sometimes not even letting the reader even see what's going on. Asgard went down in a couple of pages in #2, the nukes which had been hyped up in #8 suddenly didn't have any pay off in #9 and now the People vs the Children fight is over and done with. Next issue's solicits say it's the aftermath of the People vs the Children and that the battle is over so if anyone is hoping that the battle will continue, you're going to be disappointed. But hopefully we'll still see some action from Xorn. That could be good.
Next Issue: Hulk Smash America!

Yah I don't see the Children losing anytime soon. Other then Xorn and Zorn there really isn't anyone out there that can defeat the Children should the People fail. The only other person powerful enough would be Jean Gray or the Magician. I could see the Magician coming back from Antarctica and using his powers to destroy the The Children. But there are not a lot of people left to be able to defeat the Children.

There are other possibilities...
Modi could come back and teleport the City into the sun.
Xorn could have a neat trick up his sleeve.
Mahr-Vehl could just slice him in half with one of his cool green laser cutters.
Ben could be more powerful than any of us could imagine.
And Gah-Lak-Tus might be hard enough too.
Or Thanos with the Cosmic Cube

But I'm praying to God, Alha, Buddha, Zeus and the mighty lord Vishnu himself that Reed will not die at the end of the arc. If he does get killed off in #12 I am going to be bitterly disappointed.

[CaptainMarvell]

Or Thanos with the Cosmic Cube

This is not a possibility.

[Robbie_Jee]

If Hulk went for Reed he'd never be able to tear him apart. Even Reed's face would stretch like chewing gum, no matter how much Hulk tried.
I would love to see that happen in the comic!

But moreso I want Hulk to go off into space with Reed at the end. I want them to become best friends.

This is not a possibility.

I disagree. It is indeed a probable outcome.

[CaptainMarvell]

I disagree. It is indeed a probable outcome.

Only if they do away with dead means dead.... which I kind of hope they do, if only for a few characters.

[Kurolegacy]

If Hulk went for Reed he'd never be able to tear him apart. Even Reed's face would stretch like chewing gum, no matter how much Hulk tried.
I would love to see that happen in the comic!

But moreso I want Hulk to go off into space with Reed at the end. I want them to become best friends.

Personally I'd like for Hulk to see that it wasn't Fury who used him and join up with Fury's Ultimates. Ever since the announcement that Hulk would be in the Ultimates after the relaunch and seeing him with Ultimate X, I've been excited to finally see Hulk as an Ultimate, but every time nothing comes of it but Hulk leaving the team.

[Codah]

Personally I'd like for Hulk to see that it wasn't Fury who used him and join up with Fury's Ultimates. Ever since the announcement that Hulk would be in the Ultimates after the relaunch and seeing him with Ultimate X, I've been excited to finally see Hulk as an Ultimate, but every time nothing comes of it but Hulk leaving the team.

The problem with having him on the team regularly is that he's the "off-switch" to any situation. The threats would have to get bigger and more ridiculous or one issue of every arc would be dedicated to how the Hulk was debilitated that time.

[Robbie_Jee]

I think Hulk was on the team at the end of Ultimates 2, throughout Ultimates 3 and Ultimate Power but then went missing shortly after Ultimatum. He then joined Ultimate X six months later.

[Kurolegacy]

The problem with having him on the team regularly is that he's the "off-switch" to any situation. The threats would have to get bigger and more ridiculous or one issue of every arc would be dedicated to how the Hulk was debilitated that time.

Well I doubt Fury would send in the Hulk for everything, just if the threat is big enough considering he knows just how dangerous he is. And after the Children, I honestly can't see how much worse enemies could get.