Re: Black Widow and Joss Whedon

[Dr. Hurt]

That's because no one's saying Whedon's script sucked. People are saying the ideas they read that he had sucked. There's a difference. No one read the script so no one can make a critique of that. But some of his ideas did leak out, and thus everyone was free then and is free now to form an opinion on those individual ideas. Many didn't like them, nothing wrong with that.

Do we have any of those ideas? I keep hearing that they sucked but i've never seen one. What do we know?

[Sacred Knight]

Here's a recent interview with him about it. Your mileage may vary of course:

http://screenrant.com/joss-whedon-wo...-sandy-139177/

[Auguste Dupin]

If I remember right, it was posted in the forum quite some time ago. I don't quite remember, something in the lines of "Wonder Woman doesn't know emotions and learn them from Steve", I'm not completely sure, she lacked something essential for a human being and Trevor basically teached her. As you can easily imagine, the rest of the thread basically consisted of "How dare you, Whedon? Die" kind of posts.

[Dr. Hurt]

Thanks for the link.

It doesnt sound that bad, but i can imagine the pyres and all the pitchforks that were raised in the air because of it. I'm sure the feminists had a stroke too, didnt they? How dare a man teach her anything?

I think it would be interesting to say the least.

[BeccaBlast]

Thanks for the link.

It doesnt sound that bad, but i can imagine the pyres and all the pitchforks that were raised in the air because of it. I'm sure the feminists had a stroke too, didnt they? How dare a man teach her anything?

I think it would be interesting to say the least.

Doc, I love ya to death, but you have a seriously flawed idea of what feminism is actually about. It's not about denigrating men, or saying there's nothing useful about them -- as Aaron Stack put it in my second-favorite comic book ever, they are "full of very useful devices." It's about not needing them to be the best we can be -- finding our own worth in ourselves. Men benefit from that, too. Sorry we didn't burn the place down, but there's nothing anti-woman about saying Diana can learn something from a man -- especially one she's attracted to like no one else she's ever seen.

Tell us that she HAS to have a man to be the heroine she is -- and I'll be heating the first bucket of pitch myself, though.

[Lafanboy]

It's hard to form opinions if you've only heard a few ideas that may (or may not) have been included in the final approx 120 pg script. Way back when, after DC/WB effectively fired Whedon, the message boards lit up with, "Whew! We dodged a bullet type posts!"

Some of it was based on the costume concept art. But one of the pics had a skirt theme that stayed very, very true to the iconic costume. Here's a link to an article about Whedon's script, with costume pics. http://www.geekshow.us/content/artic...-wonder-woman/

[Mr. Holmes]

It's hard to form opinions if you've only heard a few ideas that may (or may not) have been included in the final approx 120 pg script. Way back when, after DC/WB effectively fired Whedon, the message boards lit up with, "Whew! We dodged a bullet type posts!"

It depends on how big those ideas were. Whedon giving his ideas on WW's character is probably enough to form an opinion on how his direction would be with her in the movie.

[Mecegirl]

All I know is that based on what I have read and watched from Whedon I do not think that he would be a good fit for Wonder Woman. What was leaked about his scrip hasn't changed my mind either because it doesn't seem very original. Just because he has done well with female characters in the past doesn't mean that he can handle with ALL female characters.

[americanwonder]

It's hard to form opinions if ...

Think of it as an impression subject to change. We all form impressions, no?

I'm totally open to Whedon proving me wrong, making me each crow, etc., but like Mecegirl above, in my experience, Whedon seems a better fit for Runaways or Birds of Prey than he does Wonder Woman.

[Dr. Hurt]

Doc, I love ya to death,

but you have a seriously flawed idea of what feminism is actually about. It's not about denigrating men, or saying there's nothing useful about them -- as Aaron Stack put it in my second-favorite comic book ever, they are "full of very useful devices." It's about not needing them to be the best we can be -- finding our own worth in ourselves. Men benefit from that, too. Sorry we didn't burn the place down, but there's nothing anti-woman about saying Diana can learn something from a man -- especially one she's attracted to like no one else she's ever seen.

Tell us that she HAS to have a man to be the heroine she is -- and I'll be heating the first bucket of pitch myself, though.

It's my fault really, i should have clarified. I meant the extremist feminists, like the ones who posted how Azzarello ruined WW by giving her a father and how she isnt pure anymore. And people were telling them "well even feminists have dads" but their rage would not end.

That's the feminists i meant, not the normal ones.

It's hard to form opinions if you've only heard a few ideas that may (or may not) have been included in the final approx 120 pg script. Way back when, after DC/WB effectively fired Whedon, the message boards lit up with, "Whew! We dodged a bullet type posts!"

Some of it was based on the costume concept art. But one of the pics had a skirt theme that stayed very, very true to the iconic costume. Here's a link to an article about Whedon's script, with costume pics. http://www.geekshow.us/content/artic...-wonder-woman/

That third one is pretty much the classic WW suit.

[brettc1]

Thanks for your post above, Brett! I went back for a second viewing and this time stayed for the credits. Um, WOW! It was the most amazing feeling seeing that! It was like watching a George Perez drawing come to life!!!!! I cannot wait for the inevitable sequel!!!!!

No problem - glad you liked it. I just saw it with Xander [my 7 year old son] again last night. His 2nd time, my third. It just gets better every time I see it

And just remember everyone...

[Wild_Child]

black widow is more well known than wonder woman lol. Most people can name at least 3 things about black widow where as people would just think wonder woman as an colorful balloon.

[Red Mask]

black widow is more well known than wonder woman lol. Most people can name at least 3 things about black widow where as people would just think wonder woman as an colorful balloon.

That's only because she's currently popular. If the character isn't promoted again in the future, she'll be forgotten like She-Ra or the Bride from Kill Bill.