Re: Black Widow and Joss Whedon

[brettc1]

Hulk stole the show, especially the scene with Loki. I couldn't stop laughing.

Damn right! And you are not the only one.

The other folks who can't stop laughing right now are Marvel. They are laughing their assess off, because The Avengers just became the #1 biggest box office movie of all time for its opening weekend. It HAMMERED [pun intended] the previous record of $169 million set by Harry Potter's final film by raking in over $200 MILLION. Hulk SMASH!

So yeah, right now Marvel - and especially Joss Whedon - are laughing their assess off.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

The way I see it, Marvel's movies are better than their comics, hence, I see no reason to stick with their comics.

True dat. Heck when was the last time Marvel Comics actually had a booth at a convention?

[brettc1]

True dat. Heck when was the last time Marvel Comics actually had a booth at a convention?

Maybe you dont need to have boothes when the books [and movies] speak for themselves.

[NotSuper]

Not to mention, Joss Whedon is a Marvel fan, much better suited to Avengers than Wonder Woman.

There were a lot of DC references in Buffy. It's not like he doesn't know the universe.

[brettc1]

There were a lot of DC references in Buffy. It's not like he doesn't know the universe.

I am pretty sure when he said he did not understand WW [if he said it at all] he meant he did not understand what the studio execs wanted from the movie.

Anyone can pick up a few hundred back issues and read them. And if folks would argue that gives you an inconsistent vision of the character then I would say that comment could be made of most heroes.

[americanwonder]

... Anyone can pick up a few hundred back issues and read them...

Anyone can pick them up and read them, but that doesn't mean they're going to be able to create a hit movie idea right away. If it were that easy, anyone could do it, no?

Whedon and crew have a HUGE hit with Avengers. Wonderful. Doesn't change history; Whedon flopped with WW. His fault, Silver's fault, WB fault, whatever, I'm sure there was lots of blame to go around. None of us were there and will likely never know all the details. We just know that for whatever reason it didn't work. And not all of Whedon's ideas do work - Dollhouse, anyone?

As for Avengers, I had a great time. Still, I do have a nitpick, and I'm pretty sure this one is Whedon (though I could be wrong, obviously). Thor's "he's adopted" comment was funny, but it didn't fit Thor. In my experience, Whedon seems to want to give nearly every character the same sense of humor. It's didn't really fit with the rest of Thor's portrayal in the movie.

[EricAD]

Anyone can pick them up and read them, but that doesn't mean they're going to be able to create a hit movie idea right away. If it were that easy, anyone could do it, no?

Whedon and crew have a HUGE hit with Avengers. Wonderful. Doesn't change history; Whedon flopped with WW. His fault, Silver's fault, WB fault, whatever, I'm sure there was lots of blame to go around. None of us were there and will likely never know all the details. We just know that for whatever reason it didn't work. And not all of Whedon's ideas do work - Dollhouse, anyone?

As for Avengers, I had a great time. Still, I do have a nitpick, and I'm pretty sure this one is Whedon (though I could be wrong, obviously). Thor's "he's adopted" comment was funny, but it didn't fit Thor. In my experience, Whedon seems to want to give nearly every character the same sense of humor. It's didn't really fit with the rest of Thor's portrayal in the movie.

The "he's adopted" line made me bust out laughing...one of my favorite lines. And the way I see it, Thor wasn't trying to be funny...it just ended up being funny.

[Sacred Knight]

When it comes to the humor that's one aspect where I have no doubt its all Whedon (see, told you I was still a fan). Blithe humor is one of his strongest suits.

[americanwonder]

The "he's adopted" line made me bust out laughing...one of my favorite lines. And the way I see it, Thor wasn't trying to be funny...it just ended up being funny.

I laughed too - I just don't think it fit with Thor's whole "we're still brothers" vibe.

[AnthonyJ]

Frankly, Whedon is better with an ensemble cast; it made him a great choice for the Avengers, and he'd probably do a fine Justice League movie too, but I'd be uncertain about him for either Wonder Woman or Black Widow. He gets a bit off when he's focusing too much on one character.

[FIFTY-TWO (52)]

I am pretty sure when he said he did not understand WW [if he said it at all] he meant he did not understand what the studio execs wanted from the movie.

Nah, I'm pretty sure he didn't get Wonder Woman.
He kept trying to write her as Buffy.

[Mr. Holmes]

Nah, I'm pretty sure he didn't get Wonder Woman.
He kept trying to write her as Buffy.

He's made so many comments on how DC superheroes are archaic and Marvel characters are more real. It's like turning Superman into Peter Parker.

[Lafanboy]

Nah, I'm pretty sure he didn't get Wonder Woman.
He kept trying to write her as Buffy.

I'm not sure how anyone is so danged certain that Whedon didn't "get" WW. As far as I know, his script never leaked. All we have to go on is vague random soundbites on his vision. No one has a complete picture.

At some point, DC/WB will have to take a chance on a writer/director for Diana. They might end up with an epic fail or a wildly successful film. I say grow some balls, take a chance, DC/WB!

[JimRaynor55]

There's been articles about Whedon's ideas for Wonder Woman. He found her lacking in "humanity" and hard to relate to. Something that he would not have said at all, if he had paid even the slightest attention to any of the early Perez issues. He wanted WW to suffer several bullets in the chest so that she would be brought down to everyone else's level, and learn what it means to be human and vulnerable. He also wanted to make up his own original villain, and sat on his script for over a year without ever being able to complete it.

Anyone saying that we missed out on Whedon needs to realize that he was working on Wonder Woman six years ago. It's great that he found a project more suited to him in the time since then, succeeding with The Avengers. I saw The Avengers a couple days ago, and it was glorious. Right up there with The Dark Knight as the best modern superhero film. And unlike TDK, it's that damn good while embracing the light and fun tone that appeals to adults and kids alike. But just because he's doing well now, in the year 2012, doesn't mean that he had a good grasp of Wonder Woman back in 2006 or before.

[Lafanboy]

I agree, AVENGERS was glorious. I wouldn't rate it as high as TDK, as I consider that an iconic masterpiece in its own league, but that's probably because I prefer the moody darkness over light and fun. But again, I loved AVENGERS! I felt like I had fallen through a rabbit hole into the pages of an actual comic book. Wow!

It's true that Whedon might have screwed up WW, but maybe not. I remember reading about his take on bullets and bracelets, how Diana got shot for the first time and didn't like it at all, so she began deflecting bullets with her bracelets. I actually *love* that take. I also remember Whedon saying there was a very specific reason Diana had an invisible jet but I don't think he ever elaborated. I've been curious about that ever since. I think I probably would've loved his WW film, too bad none of us will (probably) ever get to find out.