Re: Black Widow and Joss Whedon

[Dr. Hurt]

Oh man.... poor Whedon...
Two years of work for nothing...

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Oh man.... poor Whedon...
Two years of work for nothing...

An the studio couldn't even tell him what they wanted out of the film... It was just "we aren't happy with your work" & when asked what DO you want, they pretty much answered "we don't know."

[brettc1]

Oh man.... poor Whedon...
Two years of work for nothing...

An the studio couldn't even tell him what they wanted out of the film... It was just "we aren't happy with your work" & when asked what DO you want, they pretty much answered "we don't know."

For Joss Whedon I am sure it was a terrible blow at the time, but you gotta believe he is laughing now. The old saying things happen for a reason could have his picture next to it on Wikepedia at this point. Avengers is gonna go through the roof at the boxoffice. I dont know what the records are but this has gotta be up there with Fellowship of the Ring, if not Avatar.

In fact, the Aussie/New Zealand realease might actually have been deliberate just to get the US audiences pumped up. Trailers are well and good, but the internet community is the best advertising you could want and the overwhelmingly positive response here must have things at fever pitch in the States.

But its sad news for WW I think. I doubt Whedon will new his newfound status to go back to DC for another shot. Some seem to believe thats a good thing but for the life of me I will never understand their reasoning.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

In fact, the Aussie/New Zealand realease might actually have been deliberate just to get the US audiences pumped up. Trailers are well and good, but the internet community is the best advertising you could want and the overwhelmingly positive response here must have things at fever pitch in the States.

There's no maybe about it, thats exactly why it was done. Release the movie in a english speaking country which traditionally under performs & create serious ground swell.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I'm so sick of fans mentioning the Greek myths as material for Wonder Woman's enemies. We need modern supervillains. The army can kill a hydra with napalm, just like they killed that giant tarantula in the horror film "Tarantula!".

Unless the hydra is more like Godzila, in which case.... napalm? Yeah, good luck, army! ^_^

[Arvandor]

Just seen Avengers.

Warner/DC.

You are fucking idiots.

[Sacred Knight]

Ugh. I can see it coming already, Whedon being given the majority of credit by his fans for work of which was built up by multiple talent thanks to the work of Marvel studios to put it all together.

I don't mean to be overly snarky, I mean, he certainly deserves credit, he did direct the film, I just know he's going to end up being handed way too much. The film is largely predicated on stuff build up through the individual projects and this was far from his brain-child; he was just taking the reigns of an already established world by others. Marvel Studios gets the lions share of the credit for this success.

The success of Avengers does absolutely nothing to sway my opinion that his ideas for Wonder Woman stunk.

[Reginleif]

This is a family friendly thread no swearing

[Outside_85]

Well, based on what I just saw in THE AVENGERS Black Widow may well get a movie before Wonder Woman.

Also, the people who decided not to let Joss Whedon make his movie about the Amazon Princess might well have made the biggest mistake in movie making since the guys who passed on Star Wars.

I supposed the adequate comparison is Marvel really having a splendid team to make movies (all of the big ones that is, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance was total rubbish, worse than the first one) while DC seems to have a scummy one (see: Green Lantern, if your eyes don't begin to bleed) while the currently only good franchise (Batman) having mostly disassociated itself with being a comic book based movie and the madness found there (another example of this is the first Blade movie).

[Arvandor]

I don't mean to be overly snarky, I mean, he certainly deserves credit, he did direct the film, I just know he's going to end up being handed way too much. The film is largely predicated on stuff build up through the individual projects and this was far from his brain-child; he was just taking the reigns of an already established world by others. Marvel Studios gets the lions share of the credit for this success.

The success of Avengers does absolutely nothing to sway my opinion that his ideas for Wonder Woman stunk.

Avengers could easily have been a disaster. It's quite possible for big budget blockbusters to bomb. This could have been a Batman and Robin. Instead of being literally and without hyperbole the best superhero film ever.

Black Widow was awesome in this film. She was in no way overshadowed, but held her own and earned her place - confronting the Hulk, tricking a God, and fighting alien scum and kicking their asses all over manhattan.

[americanwonder]

Oh man.... poor Whedon...
Two years of work for nothing...

Poor? He's rich! And I don't doubt that his struggles working on WW made him better at his craft.

An the studio couldn't even tell him what they wanted out of the film... It was just "we aren't happy with your work" & when asked what DO you want, they pretty much answered "we don't know."

I have no doubt that the WB execs were far from easy to work with on this. However, it was Whedon's job to come up with the ideas and pitch them. It's not the execs job to hand ideas to Whedon. They approve what they like when they see it, then finance the production.

Whedon is very good at what he does, but he's hardly perfect. Did Dollhouse flop due to WB? How 'bout Firefly, that WB's fault, too?

Ugh. I can see it coming already, Whedon being given the majority of credit by his fans for work of which was built up by multiple talent thanks to the work of Marvel studios to put it all together.

I don't mean to be overly snarky, I mean, he certainly deserves credit, he did direct the film, I just know he's going to end up being handed way too much. The film is largely predicated on stuff build up through the individual projects and this was far from his brain-child; he was just taking the reigns of an already established world by others. Marvel Studios gets the lions share of the credit for this success.

The success of Avengers does absolutely nothing to sway my opinion that his ideas for Wonder Woman stunk.

I supposed the adequate comparison is Marvel really having a splendid team to make movies (all of the big ones that is, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance was total rubbish, worse than the first one) while DC seems to have a scummy one (see: Green Lantern, if your eyes don't begin to bleed) while the currently only good franchise (Batman) having mostly disassociated itself with being a comic book based movie and the madness found there (another example of this is the first Blade movie).

^All good points; well said, gentlemen(?). Unless IMDB is mistaken, Whedon didn't even write the story for The Avengers; Zack Penn wrote the story, and Whedon wrote the screenplay based on it.

[Reginleif]

Avengers could easily have been a disaster. It's quite possible for big budget blockbusters to bomb. This could have been a Batman and Robin. Instead of being literally and without hyperbole the best superhero film ever.

Black Widow was awesome in this film. She was in no way overshadowed, but held her own and earned her place - confronting the Hulk, tricking a God, and fighting alien scum and kicking their asses all over manhattan.

How much money did Disney give you?

[americanwonder]

... Instead of being literally and without hyperbole the best superhero film ever...

I love this sentence. ;)

Sure, it could have bombed. And I don't think anyone is saying Whedon didn't have a big role in making Avengers good. He's just not the only variable here.

[Outside_85]

Avengers could easily have been a disaster. It's quite possible for big budget blockbusters to bomb. This could have been a Batman and Robin. Instead of being literally and without hyperbole the best superhero film ever.

Hugely entertaining, yes. Best SHM ever? No, Dark Knight is still top dog in my book.

Black Widow was awesome in this film. She was in no way overshadowed, but held her own and earned her place - confronting the Hulk, tricking a God, and fighting alien scum and kicking their asses all over manhattan.[/QUOTE]

Without wishing to spoil...you really shouldn't mention Widows confrontation with the Hulk as a plus in her book (there's a reason why everyone in the movie is more scared of the Hulk than they are of Thor...Widow exemplifies this twice by the way).

[Reginleif]

I heard the movie comes out early for the international market, but here in AMERICA we only trust the opinions of fellow AMERICANS. Saddam Hussein did 9/11. There were WMDs in Iraq.The only way to stimulate the economy is through tax cuts. AMERICA!!!