SPLIT: Jails, Decriminalization and, of all things, Communism

[Ian Pressman]

Black people don't commit more crime, they get caught more because they're heavily profiled and get longer sentences once they're convicted. Also when you're constantly treated like a criminal it can become a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you're getting harassed anyway and already have an adversarial relationship with law enforcement, some people see it as a justification for criminal activity.

I don't really like getting caught up in the semantics, but in all fairness there are statistics that show that in America, and England Black people do commit the majority of crimes. The thing about crime though is that the vast majority of it is race-on-race. Black people are committing crimes against each other, Hispanics commit crimes against each other, whites commit crimes against each other.

My personal belief is that it's not so much about the color of your skin, as it is about how educated you become. Whites are the lowest crime statistic of the big three, but they also tend to be better educated, which helps them make more money. The majority of white crime is committed by the poorest and least educated among them. If these statistics show anything, then it's the disparity of education and the opportunities it can lead to in America (Can't speak for England.)

[needler420]

I don't really like getting caught up in the semantics, but in all fairness there are statistics that show that in America, and England Black people do commit the majority of crimes. The thing about crime though is that the vast majority of it is race-on-race. Black people are committing crimes against each other, Hispanics commit crimes against each other, whites commit crimes against each other.

My personal belief is that it's not so much about the color of your skin, as it is about how educated you become. Whites are the lowest crime statistic of the big three, but they also tend to be better educated, which helps them make more money. The majority of white crime is committed by the poorest and least educated among them. If these statistics show anything, then it's the disparity of education and the opportunities it can lead to in America (Can't speak for England.)

Don't tell them that they cringe when they hear the truth.

[Ian Pressman]

Don't tell them that they cringe when they hear the truth.

Well, personally, it pisses me off. I'm mixed. My father is black, and because of that, the risk of me being involved in a violent crime for some stupid reason, has skyrocketed. I've been robbed at knife-point in 2003, and gunpoint in 2004 (which concluded with me being shot in my leg), both in Indianapolis. No, I have no criminal record, yes, I went to college. Turns out if you check out the race-on-race crime statistic, those were some banner years for getting fucked up for no reason at all by your own kind. I choose to believe that it's the disparity of education that lead to those results. The problem is, you can give a man a book, but you can't force him to read.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

According to this , even though black crime rates are higher ....they have fallen from before 1995 to the early 2000's.


Now my take is this. A lot is due to possible economic issues (80's high unemployment ) and education. Because as the stats show , once the 90's era of economic recovery hit ...the rates started to fall.

[Darrell D.]

It's about containment.
You keep the 'undesirables' in abject poverty, and make it harder and harder to introduce a fair system of education, while making sure there are parts of your town that is cordoned off for this.
Drugs and prostitution are turned a blind eye to, until they encroach on the less poverty stricken areas, and then the hammer is brought down for show.
Then, after the press stops caring, back to the status quo.

The LAPD were masters of this type of containment, and they still are, despite the Watts Riots and the riots in the aftermath of the Rodney King verdict.

[Shellhead]

It's about containment.
You keep the 'undesirables' in abject poverty, and make it harder and harder to introduce a fair system of education, while making sure there are parts of your town that is cordoned off for this.
Drugs and prostitution are turned a blind eye to, until they encroach on the less poverty stricken areas, and then the hammer is brought down for show.
Then, after the press stops caring, back to the status quo.

The LAPD were masters of this type of containment, and they still are, despite the Watts Riots and the riots in the aftermath of the Rodney King verdict.

I don't think that it's a conscious and deliberate effort by the majority to hold back the minorities. I think that a lot of otherwise reasonable and fair-minded people become selfish about putting their own children first. Given a choice between an equal education for all American kids or an above-average education for their own kids, they will choose their own kids first and the other kids can step back. That's why the property tax funding for public schools is unlikely to change anytime soon.

[Rasputin9977]

It's about containment.
You keep the 'undesirables' in abject poverty, and make it harder and harder to introduce a fair system of education, while making sure there are parts of your town that is cordoned off for this.
Drugs and prostitution are turned a blind eye to, until they encroach on the less poverty stricken areas, and then the hammer is brought down for show.
Then, after the press stops caring, back to the status quo.

The LAPD were masters of this type of containment, and they still are, despite the Watts Riots and the riots in the aftermath of the Rodney King verdict.

How are people kept in poverty? In this country, any citizen has a chance to secure a good future. Making excuses won't get someone out of poverty.

[Brandon McKinnis]

How are people kept in poverty? In this country, any citizen has a chance to secure a good future. Making excuses won't get someone out of poverty.

Neither will the denial of systemic inequality.

[Cavemold]

While everyone has chance to get out of poverty its much easier for some for many reasons.
Some has to do with location they are from and whats avaiable to exploit.Not everyone can invent somthing new. With that said oppurtuinty has increased. There are several prggrams for the disvatanged.

[Darrell D.]

Neither will the denial of systemic inequality.

Yeah, pretty much this.
It exists.
It's not pretty to think about, but it's there.

[Cavemold]

Neither will the denial of systemic inequality.

i agree it exsits in many forms.

[Rasputin9977]

Neither will the denial of systemic inequality.

Again making excuses doesn't help. Some people have it harder but everyone has an opportunity for a better future.

[Jeff Brady]

Again making excuses doesn't help. Some people have it harder but everyone has an opportunity for a better future.

They really don't and your continued denial of reality isn't helping. There are finite resources. Not everyone can gain access to them.

[Rasputin9977]

It's not denial. My parents were immigrants. My dad worked as a cook for Sizzler for 30 years and a buser at a casino for 10. My mom a maid for 30 plus years. Not high paying jobs so we lives in poverty neighborhoods. they now own a house in a middle class neighborhood with the same jobs. They simply chose to make a better life over living in poverty.

[Jeff Brady]

It's not denial. My parents were immigrants. My dad worked as a cook for Sizzler for 30 years and a buser at a casino for 10. My mom a maid for 30 plus years. Not high paying jobs so we lives in poverty neighborhoods. they now own a house in a middle class neighborhood with the same jobs. They simply chose to make a better life over living in poverty.

That's nice. A lot of people can make those choices and still be stuck in poverty, because shit happens. Medical crises happen. Unemployment happens.