What are Ultimate Comics fans listening to?

[wyokid]

I purpously typed up the very worst artists I could think of. Pink is beyond terrible and yet her second album, Misunderstood actually had some good songs on there. But then (just like all female artists of our generation) started thinking of herself as a diva. It's this idea of themeselves that make them proud and begin to be less strict with the quality of their music. (Just look at Dianna Ross! Once a legend in my eyes. Now a dumbass diva ) Their beleif in themselves is pretty much the enemy to their quality of work. Wham are horrible, Will Smith's music is a joke and I didn't mean gay as in homosexual. Bono (as far as I know is straight). Their songs are gay in a different way. But that's just my opinion.

Will Smith is actually incredibly talented, listen to his stuff he did with Jazzy Jeff.

George Micheal is gay so I just I figured...

[Robbie_Jee]

Will Smith is actually incredibly talented, listen to his stuff he did with Jazzy Jeff.

Rhyming with one/two syllable words is just bad lazy rhyming and every sentence he has ever rapped is incredibly cleche. His flow (just like all other american hiphop besides eminem) doesn't actually flow in and out of the rhythem like it should. He just raps in time to a beat. And that doesn't show any talent whatsoever. Why is it that only Eminem can rise to the standands of da UK ting. Sure, there are American artist like Dre who are what I'd call 'poetically gangster' and his old nineties stuff is always going to be appreciated, but even he's quite lazy at rapping. None of them want to even try. They just think the image of themselves and the heavy bouncy beat are more important.

EDIT: Buster Rhymes however is sensational. He spits out his bars like a frickin beast! And his flow doesn't stick to a boring 'to the beat' structure. It twists and turns around the beat and has a life of it's own (just like how all forms of rap music should be).

SECOND EDIT BECAUSE I REALISE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE MY OPINION:
IMO!!

[Smart Internet Man]

Rhyming with one/two syllable words is just bad lazy rhyming and every sentence he has ever rapped is incredibly cleche. His flow (just like all other american hiphop besides eminem) doesn't actually flow in and out of the rhythem like it should. He just raps in time to a beat. And that doesn't show any talent whatsoever. Why is it that only Eminem can rise to the standands of da UK ting. Sure, there are American artist like Dre who are what I'd call 'poetically gangster' and his old nineties stuff is always going to be appreciated, but even he's quite lazy at rapping. None of them want to even try. They just think the image of themselves and the heavy bouncy beat are more important.

EDIT: Buster Rhymes however is sensational. He spits out his bars like a frickin beast! And his flow doesn't stick to a boring 'to the beat' structure. It twists and turns around the beat and has a life of it's own (just like how all forms of rap music should be).

okay, you've said some sensational shit in the last couple days, but this takes the cake. "all other american hiphop besides eminem" and "standands of da UK ting"? POETICALLY GANGESTER?

you've made plenty of idiotic, sweeping statements, but this just takes the cake. that ALL American rappers don't "flow in and out of a rhythm" is rediciulous, and HARDLY what qualifies someone as "good." maybe to your tastes, but with your post you've obviously shown that your tastes in rap are quite limited. rhyming with one or two syllable words doesn't automatically make it lazy, either. "every sentence he has ever rapped is incredibly cleche." this comment alone deserves it's own investigation. someone, call myth busters.

Dr. Dre barely writes his own rhymes. for a lot of 2001, in fact, Eminem was writing for him.

[Robbie_Jee]

okay, you've said some sensational shit in the last couple days, but this takes the cake. "all other american hiphop besides eminem" and "standands of da UK ting"? POETICALLY GANGESTER?.

It was (of course) a bias opinion but what exactly do you mean by sensational? And the whole 'all other american hiphop besides emeinem' was a bit of an exaggeration but I still make a very good point. Do you listen to other forms of rap music besides American Hiphop? If so, argue your opinion against mine and we can discuss thing a bit more accurately.

you've made plenty of idiotic, sweeping statements,

How so? Have you done any research or are you just being stagnant?

but this just takes the cake. that ALL American rappers don't "flow in and out of a rhythm" is rediciulous,

Well to be fair, most of them really don't have a very dynamic flow. They just rap in time to a beat. That to me is lazy and unprofessional.

and HARDLY what qualifies someone as "good." maybe to your tastes,

But that's what this thread is about, isn't it? Sharing with one another our tastes in music. I really don't understand what you're getting at here.

but with your post you've obviously shown that your tastes in rap are quite limited.

That's a very bold statement.

1. How so?
2. How would you know?

rhyming with one or two syllable words doesn't automatically make it lazy, either. "every sentence he has ever rapped is incredibly cleche." this comment alone deserves it's own investigation.

Then let's discuss/investigate it instead of being dismissive of my posts.

someone, call myth busters.

Haven't a clue what that means. Sorry. Who are they? And what mythology are you relating to?

Dr. Dre barely writes his own rhymes. for a lot of 2001, in fact, Eminem was writing for him

So now you're saying that the American doctor/king of hiphop isn't really that good. I thought you were arguing FOR american rap music. Not against it.

And by the way, don't take what I said: 'Doctor/King' so literally. It is a title that provides no information. I used it so you could relate to what it is I'm saying. I didn't mean he had PHD or was of any royalty.

[Smart Internet Man]

It was (of course) a bias opinion but what exactly do you mean by sensational? And the whole 'all other american hiphop besides emeinem' was a bit of an exaggeration but I still make a very good point. Do you listen to other forms of rap music besides American Hiphop? If so, argue your opinion against mine and we can discuss thing a bit more accurately.

"poetically gangster" and "the American doctor/king" are sensational statements. that's not confusing, is it? my listening of other forms of rap music, or other music in general, has no relevance in this discussion. you made a sweeping, broad generalization about all American rap music, one that doesn't apply to the thousands of successful artists, independent or mainstream, hobbyists or professionals. you're attempting to bring in this comparison to other nations' rap music to show that you have experience and that your word has merit. i call that bullshitting. it doesn't matter in the context of what you said. so move on.

How so? Have you done any research or are you just being stagnant?

stagnant? i'm sitting down, if that's what you mean. other broad, sweeping statements? well, see your posts in the threads on The People vs. The City or the Divided We Fall event. you feel quite strongly about this "human agenda" thing...

Well to be fair, most of them really don't have a very dynamic flow. They just rap in time to a beat. That to me is lazy and unprofessional.

to each his own. see, that's what you should say.

But that's what this thread is about, isn't it? Sharing with one another our tastes in music. I really don't understand what you're getting at here.

yes, this thread is about discussing what we listen to, which you pouted about in your first post in the thread. now you're bashing American hip-hop, making broad statements and providing no evidence to support your thinking.

That's a very bold statement.

oh, how dare i. let me clarify: you're tastes in American hip-hop appear to be quite limited.

1. How so?

all, at one point, Aftermath artists, with multiple albums produced by Dr. Dre.

2. How would you know?

you've given little indication otherwise

Then let's discuss/investigate it instead of being dismissive of my posts.

this is a "what are Ultimate Comics fans listening to?" thread. not "let's go over every line the Fresh Prince has ever rapped and decide if its cliche or not." when you start that thread, i'll be right behind you.

Haven't a clue what that means. Sorry. Who are they? And what mythology are you relating to?

it's a tv show. i've gathered that you're not from the states. there's a thing called google, though, so try asking that search box thingy. go ahead, you can even type out a full question.

So now you're saying that the American doctor/king of hiphop isn't really that good. I thought you were arguing FOR american rap music. Not against it.

ha, when did i say that? i said many of Dr. Dre's rhymes were written by Eminem. you're assuming i don't like him. that's not true. i love these artists. in fact i saw them live just last weekend. you have this uncanny ability to infer untruths from things that i say. that's not something to be proud of.

And by the way, don't take what I said: 'Doctor/King' so literally. It is a title that provides no information. I used it so you could relate to what it is I'm saying. I didn't mean he had PHD or was of any royalty.

don't be an asshole.

[Robbie_Jee]

"poetically gangster" and "the American doctor/king" are sensational statements. that's not confusing, is it?.

I don't know what you mean by sensational. Why not argue those terminologies inrtead of being dismssive of them.

my listening of other forms of rap music, or other music in general, has no relevance in this discussion.

And here's me thinking it did. Silly me.

you made a sweeping, broad generalization about all American rap music, one that doesn't apply to the thousands of successful artists, independent or mainstream, hobbyists or professionals.

Well of course. As you said, it is indeed a very broad generalisation. I don't expect my opinion to be shared by everyone.

you're attempting to bring in this comparison to other nations' rap music to show that you have experience and that your word has merit.

Not to show I have experience but simply just to argue my opinion on the genre.

And to be fair I think my opinion does have merit. It was relevant to the thread topic and to what it was I was discussing.

i call that bullshitting.

In my country bullshitting means lying. I wasn't lying about anything. (I was going to put and 'confused' emoticon here but I don't want you to find it insulting )

it doesn't matter in the context of what you said. so move on.

What doesn't matter? My opinion? Well it might not matter to you but so far I have stuck well and trully to the thread topic. I simply stated an opinion on some music. But you seem to have a problem with it.

stagnant? i'm sitting down, if that's what you mean.

Stagnant to your approach of my information. There are too ways in which a human-being analyzes information. Stagnant or Immergent. Immergent means that you are happy to recieve all informatiom before examining it. Stagnant means that you are dismissive of the information.

other broad, sweeping statements?

No. Just saying that your approach to this discussion has been very dismissive/stagnant.

well, see your posts in the threads on The People vs. The City or the Divided We Fall event. you feel quite strongly about this "human agenda" thing...

I have. If you don't understand them you can google them if you like. Or we can discuss why it is you disagree with them. However that discussion will most likely derail the thread so I suggest you PM me.

to each his own. see, that's what you should say.

Please don't tell me what I should say. Pretty please. That's just ignorant.
And as a matter of fact, I have actually said those exact words at least once today. I think it's on the previous page of this thread. Not sure though.

yes, this thread is about discussing what we listen to, which you pouted about in your first post in the thread.

Pouted? Are you trying to insult me?

now you're bashing American hip-hop, making broad statements and providing no evidence to support your thinking.

I was actually trying to not sound so 'bashing' by editing it by saying how I think Busta Rhymes is tallented. Otherwise, it's just an opinion. Get over it.
And a statement would mean that it was a FACT. Which of course it can't be.

oh, how dare i. let me clarify: you're tastes in American hip-hop appear to be quite limited.

You keep saying this but I don't see how you'd know this. You're suggesting that you know my tastes.

I think it would sound a lot nicer if you said you THINK my tastes are limited.

Otherwise you're a hyppocrit for using such a phrase like 'broad sweeping statements.'

I'm very much into 60's soul music. As well as many other genres. My tastes are far from limited.
And by the looks of some posters stating that they like rock music and not saying any other genres, perhaps you should say that they are limited in their tastes. But personally I think that could offend them so I suggest you don't.

at one point, Aftermath artists, with multiple albums produced by Dr. Dre.

Yeah I know.

you've given little indication otherwise

An indication to what?

this is a "what are Ultimate Comics fans listening to?" thread. not "let's go over every line the Fresh Prince has ever rapped and decide if its cliche or not." when you start that thread, i'll be right behind you.

OK then. You don't want to discuss it. That's fine. It's just that you said that it SHOULD be investigated, so I suggested that we do so. Whatever though. We don't have to if you don't want to.

it's a tv show. i've gathered that you're not from the states. there's a thing called google, though, so try asking that search box thingy. go ahead, you can even type out a full question.

I will, thanks.

Google yeah? What's the website?

ha, when did i say that?

It's just that you said he got others to write for him after I said that his nineties stuff was really good. So I assumed you were trying to argue it.

i said many of Dr. Dre's rhymes were written by Eminem. you're assuming i don't like him. that's not true. i love these artists. in fact i saw them live just last weekend.

Good for you

you have this uncanny ability to infer untruths from things that i say. that's not something to be proud of.

Pride can be one's enemy when discussing topics so I always make sure that I am logical in my approach.

And surely that's exactly what you did when you joined the discussion. Infir untruths.

And I don't want you to talk about my ability because to be fair I don't think your opinion on my abilites can be all that accurate. Please try not to be so insulting. Thanks.

don't be an asshole

With all due respect I was just trying to ensure that you didn't try to correct my spelling. But don't insult me. I mean WTF?

[Smart Internet Man]

I don't know what you mean by sensational. Why not argue those terminologies inrtead of being dismssive of them.

why waste my time? i already called them sensational terms. i've moved on. you should too.

And here's me thinking it did. Silly me.

when the topic at hand is you talking shit about all american rap music, the defense of it doesn't automatically necessitate comparison to other country's styles.

Well of course. As you said, it is indeed a very broad generalisation. I don't expect my opinion to be shared by everyone.

exactly, so here i am, telling you that your opinion is dumb. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

Not to show I have experience but simply just to argue my opinion on the genre.

And to be fair I think my opinion does have merit. It was relevant to the thread topic and to what it was I was discussing.

this is how you appear: "ALL AMERICAN RAP SUCKS." and that opinion holds weight simply because you're a fan of international rap? that doesn't lend merit to your opinion. it simply reveals your bias. if you were to say "I prefer other nation's rap to American hip hop" instead of bashing an entire genre, i wouldn't call your reasoning bullshit. but you had to go the attack route.

What doesn't matter? My opinion? Well it might not matter to you but so far I have stuck well and trully to the thread topic. I simply stated an opinion on some music. But you seem to have a problem with it.

i don't have a problem with your opinion, i have a problem with the fact that you trashed an entire genre. as any fan would.

Stagnant to your approach of my information. There are too ways in which a human-being analyzes information. Stagnant or Immergent. Immergent means that you are happy to recieve all informatiom before examining it. Stagnant means that you are dismissive of the information.

i hope that sometime soon you will appreciate the irony in what you just wrote here.

No. Just saying that your approach to this discussion has been very dismissive/stagnant.

haha, and the pot called the kettle black.

I have. If you don't understand them you can google them if you like. Or we can discuss why it is you disagree with them. However that discussion will most likely derail the thread so I suggest you PM me.

you must be dense. as i already said, i'm not getting into that nonsense.

Please don't tell me what I should say. Pretty please. That's just ignorant.
And as a matter of fact, I have actually said those exact words at least once today. I think it's on the previous page of this thread. Not sure though.

it's a suggestion. ignore it or not, but i'll tell you anything i want to. no where in your assessment of American hip hop did you state it was your opinion. you just made this generalization. of course i'm going to take issue with that.

Pouted? Are you trying to insult me?

I'd much rather discuss Ultimate Comics.
There's an Off Topic thread where we're allowed discuss irrelevant subjects. Posters use it to socialise and talk about different things, share personal tastes etc. But don't worry. A mod will mostly likely move your question there.

your first response. i just call it like i see it.

I was actually trying to not sound so 'bashing' by editing it by saying how I think Busta Rhymes is tallented. Otherwise, it's just an opinion. Get over it.
And a statement would mean that it was a FACT. Which of course it can't be.

this is what i'm saying. of course it's your opinion. you presented it as a statement. of course i'll argue that statement. get over it.

You keep saying this but I don't see how you'd know this. You're suggesting that you know my tastes.

I think it would sound a lot nicer if you said you THINK my tastes are limited.

see, now we're getting somewhere. next time, i might just say that.

Otherwise you're a hyppocrit for using such a phrase like 'broad sweeping statements.'

I'm very much into 60's soul music. As well as many other genres. My tastes are far from limited.
And by the looks of some posters stating that they like rock music and not saying any other genres, perhaps you should say that they are limited in their tastes. But personally I think that could offend them so I suggest you don't.

the other posters didn't talk shit about another genre and give some flimsy reasoning why their opinion matters.

Yeah I know.


An indication to what?

indication that you listen to any other american rap that isn't apart of a specific circle. all of your examples are closely related and similar in terms of delivery, lyrical content, rhyme scheme, and musical production. at least provide variety if you're going to make such a sweeping statement.

OK then. You don't want to discuss it. That's fine. It's just that you said that it SHOULD be investigated, so I suggested that we do so. Whatever though. We don't have to if you don't want to.

i never said i don't want to discuss it, i simply put the ball in your court. remember that infer thing we talked about?

I will, thanks.

Google yeah? What's the website?

you're being cute.

It's just that you said he got others to write for him after I said that his nineties stuff was really good. So I assumed you were trying to argue it.

you said he was lazy at rapping. the guy isn't even a rapper. he's a producer. he raps on songs because he has a good voice and a precedence to do so. but he doesn't write hooks or lyrics. calling him lazy? that's just strange.

Good for you

yeah, it was amazing.

Pride can be one's enemy when discussing topics so I always make sure that I am logical in my approach.

And surely that's exactly what you did when you joined the discussion. Infir untruths.

And I don't want you to talk about my ability because to be fair I don't think your opinion on my abilites can be all that accurate. Please try not to be so insulting. Thanks.

from your posts, i've formed an opinion about you that you're arrogant and treat people that don't agree with you like they are wrong. and you make assumptions based on their arguments, suppositions that because someone stands for x they must also believe y is true. these arguments diverge into many tangents, much like this one. i'm sorry if that's insulting, that's just how i view you. i don't think you're logical. i think you're argumentative.

With all due respect I was just trying to ensure that you didn't try to correct my spelling. But don't insult me. I mean WTF?

try not to act so pretentious. i understood what you meant by doctor/king, and i don't care about spelling.

"don't be an asshole" is a very real suggestion. Bono and george michael in a gay duet? that's how assholes talk.

[Smart Internet Man]

you obviously have a track record of getting into these kinds of "discussions" with other posters, Robbie_Jee. you're not infallible. i'm getting pretty tired of deciphering your broken english, and your homophobic insult wore me thin.

i'm done dealing with you. the beauty of this message board is i can choose whom i want to interact with, and have meaningful discussions with those who might provide them. i'm done arguing semantics and difference of opinion with someone who is so blatantly disrespectful of anyone's views but their own. and i won't be baited into any more of your petty antics. before i get myself in trouble, i'm going to end this interaction right here.

blocked.

[Wolverine12]

I listen to

Blink 182
Angels and Airwaves
Unwritten Law
Taking Back Sunday
Say Anything
Sublime
Incubus
Rage Against the Machine
JEW
Saves the Day
Wu-Tang

[Robbie_Jee]

why waste my time? i already called them sensational terms. i've moved on. you should too.



when the topic at hand is you talking shit about all american rap music, the defense of it doesn't automatically necessitate comparison to other country's styles.


exactly, so here i am, telling you that your opinion is dumb. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.


this is how you appear: "ALL AMERICAN RAP SUCKS." and that opinion holds weight simply because you're a fan of international rap? that doesn't lend merit to your opinion. it simply reveals your bias. if you were to say "I prefer other nation's rap to American hip hop" instead of bashing an entire genre, i wouldn't call your reasoning bullshit. but you had to go the attack route.


i don't have a problem with your opinion, i have a problem with the fact that you trashed an entire genre. as any fan would.



i hope that sometime soon you will appreciate the irony in what you just wrote here.


haha, and the pot called the kettle black.


you must be dense. as i already said, i'm not getting into that nonsense.



it's a suggestion. ignore it or not, but i'll tell you anything i want to. no where in your assessment of American hip hop did you state it was your opinion. you just made this generalization. of course i'm going to take issue with that.



your first response. i just call it like i see it.



this is what i'm saying. of course it's your opinion. you presented it as a statement. of course i'll argue that statement. get over it.




see, now we're getting somewhere. next time, i might just say that.


the other posters didn't talk shit about another genre and give some flimsy reasoning why their opinion matters.



indication that you listen to any other american rap that isn't apart of a specific circle. all of your examples are closely related and similar in terms of delivery, lyrical content, rhyme scheme, and musical production. at least provide variety if you're going to make such a sweeping statement.



i never said i don't want to discuss it, i simply put the ball in your court. remember that infer thing we talked about?



you're being cute.



you said he was lazy at rapping. the guy isn't even a rapper. he's a producer. he raps on songs because he has a good voice and a precedence to do so. but he doesn't write hooks or lyrics. calling him lazy? that's just strange.


yeah, it was amazing.


from your posts, i've formed an opinion about you that you're arrogant and treat people that don't agree with you like they are wrong. and you make assumptions based on their arguments, suppositions that because someone stands for x they must also believe y is true. these arguments diverge into many tangents, much like this one. i'm sorry if that's insulting, that's just how i view you. i don't think you're logical. i think you're argumentative.



try not to act so pretentious. i understood what you meant by doctor/king, and i don't care about spelling.

"don't be an asshole" is a very real suggestion. Bono and george michael in a gay duet? that's how assholes talk.

you obviously have a track record of getting into these kinds of "discussions" with other posters, Robbie_Jee. you're not infallible. i'm getting pretty tired of deciphering your broken english, and your homophobic insult wore me thin.

i'm done dealing with you. the beauty of this message board is i can choose whom i want to interact with, and have meaningful discussions with those who might provide them. i'm done arguing semantics and difference of opinion with someone who is so blatantly disrespectful of anyone's views but their own. and i won't be baited into any more of your petty antics. before i get myself in trouble, i'm going to end this interaction right here.

blocked.

I agree this debate is getting uncivil.

But I stated my opinion because the thread topic asked for it. It said no rules like, you can't say anything bad about another peice of music or genre. So I just said what I thought. I came in here stating my opinion on some music and you have a problem with it. You shouldn't get annoyed about what other people are going to say if you know that other opinions are going to be said. I thought something like that would make common sense to people who go on forums. But for some reason pessimistic opinions aren't liked at all. So I don't know why everyone gives a title like 'bashing' to what some people say on here. I think it's a little uncalled for to not accept the opinions of others when going into a forum. Ever heard of 'Everyone's a critic.' ?? You're probably not gona like what other people have to say. That's natural. But there's no need to respond the way you do to other posts. I stick to the threrad rules and I state opinions. Many posters on this forum don't like DC or don't like 616 and some don't even like UU (which I actually do find odd because otherwise why would they come on here) and even though they are entitled to their opinions and are allowed to fully express them, some posters get angry and say that they're not allowed to do that.

And yes my opinion was a very broad generalisation. I have never disagreed with you there. I have listened to lots and lots abd lots of american rap music and I like some of it. But like you said I was generalising. And BTW, I have had some great times in my youth bopping away to some old school gangster shit, but everything else is just not for me. Sorry if you disagree.

And I think one of the main reasons you hate my post so much is because I never said IMO at the end. I hate that. We always have to say that at the end of every post or otherwise we'll get shouted at. Surely a forum is a place where all opinons are accepted. It's not hard to understand that when people make a bold statement on what they like or don't like, that it is an opinion, they don't always have to say that its an opinon. Like if Plawsky said that Ultimate Thor was probably the best book of the post-ultimatum era, he wouldn't have to say that it was an opinion. But if you like, just to be civil, I'll go back and edit my post for you and state that it is an opinon.

Also, what do you mean by sensational? And why don't you like me asking you questions? Is it because you don't want to answer them?


EDIT: And now you've blocked me. Is that an attempt to not listen to me incase you agree? Or is it your way of think you've got the upper hand. I'm not here to play games. I not hear to tell you your wrong like you are to me. I'm willing to discuss things with you like a gentleman but you just want to insult me, say that I'm wrong and not discuss it. I ask you questions politely and you choose to ignore me. This is why I said you were being stagnant.

[Sinx]

Ok well I'm pretty picky with my music. I've been listening to a lot of:

Enter Shikari
Circa Survive
La Dispute
Touche Amore
Alkaline Trio
Every Time I Die
The Hives
The Joy Formidable
Modest Mouse

and much much more. =)

[Mikey Ramone]

Ah,Ramones are excellen I met Marky Ramone ten-ish years ago.



Ramones (or course)

Aight! Another Ramones fan FINALLY! Favorite Ramones record? Mine is Leave Home