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    Default Why isn't there more stuff about Communism & the Soviet Union in post-mid 90s movies?

    I find it so odd that Nazism a particularly old sort of fascism still get's so much attention in pop culture but stuff relating to the Soviet Union and communism doesn't.I mean I know that a large part of this is b/c Nazism is genuinely evil but consider how the Soviet Union and communism has been depicted in media when we know now that there was a lot of subtly when the Soviet's did bad stuff (esp.in the post-Stalinist era).Most pop culture depictions of the Soviet union and communism appear in stuff like 007 movies,Red dawn and (in a way) Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons and are from the Cold war era when the .U.S. actively tried to show how bad Communism and the Soviet Union are so as to end them.This seemed to go even into the late 90's to some extent with movies like Air Force One and Salt.Now it's been years since the Cold war ended and we can be more less politically biased (I assume) and we obviously now have thorough and lots of historical hindsight now as to how Soviet communism was really done.Also there are very much large generational demographics of people who've lived through that stuff that we can go to in order to get more accurate depictions of how Soviet communism was really like and there experiences unlike with Nazism and how a lot of the people who lived through that stuff are old and dying off.I for example would like to see a movie remake of Doctor Zhivago (an update from the '65 one) and a movie adaptation of "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin.In general stuff that strongly shows and delves into the implications of such a political ideology instead of just about showing the atrocities commited by a political group.I mean have it be done like in "Schnidler's list" which I felt hit the balance well of showing not just the horrors of the Holocaust but a very indifferent and pragmatic man like Oscar Schindler who didn't care much for what Nazism stood for and it's objectives,always playing in the sidelines until fairly later one when he realizes how terrible he's been for ignoring the evil that's been done around him that whole time.However a difference that would have to be noted when trying to hit such a balance of showing subtext and conspicously horrible political doings if there were ever to be a "We" movie adaptation and "Doctor Zhivago" remake is that these are fictional books unlike "Schnidler's list" which was based on real events.I mean why is it that your more likely to see something as silly as "Iron sky" a movie about Nazi descendants having hid on the moon to invade Earth but not a politically neutral and intellectual portrayal of Soviet communism outside of the usual gulag and spy stuff?.
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    Because the Soviet Union collapsed in 1992.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael P View Post
    Because the Soviet Union collapsed in 1992.
    Well,Nazism ended decades before but you still see loads of stuff about it popping up to this dont you?

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    I think you nailed it in your first few sentences: the communists just weren't obviously evil enough compared to the nazis. And the subtlety is an issue too: you can't do anything about communism without delving into serious politics. With nazism, you just need a larger-than-life villain and you're set. Communism just doesn't connect with popular culture like nazis do. Another issue might be that the international influence of cold-war era communism is pretty much tied to certain countermanding policies instigated by the U.S. that feed directly into modern day terrorism. Still very touchy.

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    There was Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, X-Men First Class, Indianna Jones and the Crystal Skull and the Watchmen so it isn't completly over.

    Also Russia is a major market for Hollywood films and while "officially" communism is over there's still plenty of people from the old regime running the country so I imagine producers want to avoid portraying the Russian government as the bad guys.

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    Well, we (the western capitalist world) never actually went to war with Russia/the Soviet Union. A lot of fiction likes to delve into big wars and explosions (action movies, videogames). What we had with Russia was a cold war, which makes for a great political type thriller, but those are minor compared to 'smash Nazis'. Would you rather watch a action movie against the Nazis or a film with a lot of politicians nearly but not quite coming to war with a nukes is bad message?
    Add to it that Nazis are more outright evil villains, and well...
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    Hollywood approves of communism, doesn't want to show where it failed.
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    look at indy 4 and tell me you want commie baddies.
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    The Cold War had an anticlimactic ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet View Post
    The Cold War had an anticlimactic ending.
    Lacks for something in the middle as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael P View Post
    Because the Soviet Union collapsed in 1992.
    Or so the Germans would have us believe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneGold View Post
    Or so the Germans would have us believe!
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    John Casey HATES communism.

    On a more serious note, Naziism had more definited villains for a film setting, easier to portray.

    The movies I've tended to see with Communism themes have focused quite heavily on America based "commies". The Majestic with Jim Carey being one that stands out in my mind.

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    There has never been nor will there ever will be a villain as good as Hitler and the Nazis. You can argue that others were more evil and did more harm to people and the world, but the Nazis are better for storytelling purposes.

    Communism is also based in relatively sound theories of social justice. It's just the perversion of that leads to evil. Nazism is inherently evil.
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