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    This season opening was ... off.

    Season 1 was largely great. Excellent storylines for most characters, everyone had some character development and felt believable, I was really a fan of the initial Young Justice cast (with the exception of Rocket, who I would have enjoyed if she'd been placed earlier on).

    But this? Doing a time-skip (5 years?), seeing four different Season 1 Young Justicers not appear (Kaldur, Artemis, Red Arrow/Arsenal, Kid Flash), breaking up at least one longstanding couple and getting a mix of new characters and apparently Young Justice becoming a multi-team black ops unit, etc...

    It's too much at once for a season opener, in my opinion. That doesn't mean it won't be justified in the long-term and we won't get some closure/ideas/explanations, but still. Too radical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofMadCows View Post
    I just hope that the writers don't forget about the time skip and have unresolved plot threads from season 1 show up in season 2 as if no time had passed.
    They wouldn't have done a time skip otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla2099 View Post
    Yes. Its extremely easy to tell. Of course I can be wrong, but I'd be genuinely surprised if I was.

    I preferred the JLA over the JLU. Young Justice seems to be taking the exact same road.

    Compare the first episode of Season 1 and put it next to Season 2. To me, there is a huge difference. Season 1's Premiere had me hooked religiously. Season 2? It was below mediocre. I'm still going to give the series a chance, but come on, too much crap was thrown at you too fast with very little story behind it to make the story or characters interesting.
    I guess its a matter of taste and opinion. To me the first episode of season 2 has me more intrested in season 2 than the first episode for season 1 had me interested in season 1. I never got into Zatana or Rocket, Kid Flash was meh, and Aqualad was kind of boring so losing those 4 isnt a big deal to me, although i can see why their fans would be upset. Artemis, Superboy, Ms. Martian and Robin were the best parts of season one so im glad they kept 3/4 of them around, although I miss Artemis!!

    Cheers to the new line up, a very solid one if you ask me! Nightwing, Superboy, Ms. Martian, Wondergirl, Blue Beetle, Beast Boy, Bumble Bee, Lagoon Boy, and Batgirl! :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofMadCows View Post
    I think the problem with the 5 year time skip is that there's nothing in the season 1 finale to suggest or warrant it. It's not like the Justice League to Justice League Unlimited transition where it was obvious from the end of Starcrossed that if the show was to continue then there would be drastic changes.

    It really seems like they had or maybe have a special event or straight to DVD movie planned that would bridge the gap between the two seasons.

    It's also rather convenient that there were no consequences for the 16 lost hours for those five years and then it would just suddenly turn up now. I think it would have been better if they had built up to it more and have the reveal be a bit more of a surprise.

    I just hope that the writers don't forget about the time skip and have unresolved plot threads from season 1 show up in season 2 as if no time had passed.
    i just hope they don't keep rotating members on and off the team
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    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla2099 View Post
    Season 2? It was below mediocre. I'm still going to give the series a chance, but come on, too much crap was thrown at you too fast with very little story behind it to make the story or characters interesting.
    I don't mean to put you on the spot by having my first post be a quote refuting what you wrote but come on!
    We know that the focus of this season will be filling in the gap of what happened over those five years. The "very little story" you mention will probably be a sprawling tale, just told in a non-linear way. Give it a chance, season one was exciting because the story was so complex and engrossing and season two so far, for me at least, is taking that approach and running with even further.

    Season One ended perfectly with the happy ending that enshrined the status quo so well. I feel I am naive for not seeing something like this coming. I am excited to see what the light has been up to over the past five years. It's likely they have a better handle on the invasion than anyone else does.
    I am also excited to see what's up with the three members of the roster who are unaccounted for. Has anyone else considered the possibility that Kid Flash, Artemis, and Aqua Lad left the team to get their own separate thing going? Maybe the Titans or Outsiders? Maybe the Roy Harper clone saga played out with the League not looking so great and the three of them left feeling disillusioned and they all went solo. I can't wait for what comes next!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    They wouldn't have done a time skip otherwise.
    Then they better have a good explanation for why the Justice League didn't immediately go after Vandal Savage, not only to capture him, but to interrogate him about the lost 16 hours. They had also better explain what happened to the massive super villain conspiracy that the Justice League had became aware of and was the main plot arc of season 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofMadCows View Post
    Then they better have a good explanation for why the Justice League didn't immediately go after Vandal Savage, not only to capture him, but to interrogate him about the lost 16 hours. They had also better explain what happened to the massive super villain conspiracy that the Justice League had became aware of and was the main plot arc of season 1.
    Yes, the creators will most likely focus on the ramifications of what happened last season. Any other concerns you want to share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofMadCows View Post
    Then they better have a good explanation for why the Justice League didn't immediately go after Vandal Savage, not only to capture him, but to interrogate him about the lost 16 hours. They had also better explain what happened to the massive super villain conspiracy that the Justice League had became aware of and was the main plot arc of season 1.
    they also better explain The Zatanna/Doctor Fate plot line and if we should just assume She'll have no problem teaming up with him or helping im
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    Quote Originally Posted by juan1993 View Post
    I guess its a matter of taste and opinion. To me the first episode of season 2 has me more intrested in season 2 than the first episode for season 1 had me interested in season 1. I never got into Zatana or Rocket, Kid Flash was meh, and Aqualad was kind of boring so losing those 4 isnt a big deal to me, although i can see why their fans would be upset. Artemis, Superboy, Ms. Martian and Robin were the best parts of season one so im glad they kept 3/4 of them around, although I miss Artemis!!

    Cheers to the new line up, a very solid one if you ask me! Nightwing, Superboy, Ms. Martian, Wondergirl, Blue Beetle, Beast Boy, Bumble Bee, Lagoon Boy, and Batgirl! :D
    I agree the this season premier was much stronger than the first season's premier episode IMO (which was technically two episodes in one). I also love the quicker pace they have established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    Yes, the creators will most likely focus on the ramifications of what happened last season. Any other concerns you want to share?
    Yeah the creators have repeatedly stated in interviews that The Light actions and ramifications will be explored. Same with Red Arrow''s search for real Roy.

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    Figures just when I start to like some of the main characters in season 1, they take them away in season 2. I do wish this waited before introducing a ton of new focal characters.

    I thought Justice League had a great formula really worked to develop everyone and than expanded with a time skip.


    One season of only 26 eps, than a time skip doesn't work for me. When season one already had a large cast of characters. By the end of the first season We had just gotten to know some of these guys.
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    I think the time skip is having the desired effect (from the writers' point of view) ...

    I'm betting the invasion will escalate into a crisis that cannot be resolved but must be prevented entirely. Therefore, the zeta beam technology has to be modified for the purpose of translocation across time-space (rather than just space), and someone (original Roy?) has to go back in time to prevent the events of season 2 and the events that occurred between seasons 1 and 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clairaudient Freedom Soldier View Post
    I think the time skip is having the desired effect (from the writers' point of view) ...

    I'm betting the invasion will escalate into a crisis that cannot be resolved but must be prevented entirely. Therefore, the zeta beam technology has to be modified for the purpose of translocation across time-space (rather than just space), and someone (original Roy?) has to go back in time to prevent the events of season 2 and the events that occurred between seasons 1 and 2.
    Well, I would love that, but there will be already 5 more episodes at least about these versions of the characters and I find that to be too much on alternate universe characters.

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    I enjoyed the season two premiere episode by itself, but as others have expressed I'm bummed about the 5 year jump. The thing I liked best about "YJ" was the relationships and interactions between the (original) characters. Now the jump in time has wiped out much of that and I was really looking forward to seeing the romantic relationships develop. Particularly since they would be going on during the rather tumultuous teenage years of the characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    Yes, the creators will most likely focus on the ramifications of what happened last season. Any other concerns you want to share?
    Well, it's obvious that they'll focus on the ramifications of the last season. That is after all, the point of a serial show, events in previous episodes have an effect on future episodes. They would have focused on the ramifications of the last season regardless of whether or not there was a time skip.

    The problem of a time skip is not the time skip itself, but the fact that the main story of the last season was unresolved. It would be like if after Bane broke Batman's back and Azrael took over the mantle of the Bat, they skipped ahead a year without showing how Bruce recovered or how Bane was defeated.

    What the writers need to do is justify why all the events of those five years should have been skipped. They need to justify why they didn't show the League going after Savage. They need to justify why they didn't show further confrontations with the Conspiracy of Light. They need to justify why Zatanna and Rocket got zero character development.

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