That is a little disturbing.
In fact, this shows the somewhat skewed nature of the timeline...everything that happened since Bruce's 'death' to the present has taken around a year (same as the pre-FP timeline and arguably quiet close to real-time as well) so Damien's been Robin for a year...and yet, Dick Grayson's entire career as Robin (DECADES worth of stories, and at least 5-6 years in the pre-FP timeline) has been shortened to a mere two years (possibly even less).
I don't think Damian needs to have been Robin for a year. In fact, I thought it's been said that Dick was Batman for six months in this new timeline, though I don't know the source for that. If you want to use his stated age from before and after Flashpoint, he was ten during Morrison's Batman and Robin and he's still said to be ten in Tomasi's Batman and Robin. So yeah, IMO Damian has probably only been Robin for less than a year. The broad strokes of what's happened during his time as Robin, Morrison's run in particular which seems to be the main thing that retains relevance in the new 52, can pretty easily be fit in less than a year I'd think.
I've decided that a timeline is not necessary. Everything and nothing happened prior to the present depending on the needs of the story.
I likes Morrisons timeline of 15 years. That why Dick was Robin for six years. Nightwing for six. Batman for two. Jason was Robin for a year. Tim six or seven years as Robin. Two as RedRobin. Damian as Robin two years. This way all of there time as Robin fits the Bat timeline.
Screw Flashpoint and the "New 52." I am reading the current series (even if it seems a bit off to me) like nothing happened with those events.
Pull List: None. Moving to trade-waiting.
Ummm...bkey, I'm pretty sure that timeline was never Morrisons.
Old versus new. Old first up to Flashpoint. NU after.
Dick Grayson// DCU: Doesn't Bruce take him as a ward in Year 3? (?) I assume he started pretty much after that as Robin. How long he was Robin, unsure, but at least 5 years. Nightwing time is easy to work out. Just add Jason and Tim's tenure as normal Robin's together. About 5 years then, more depending on how much longer Jason was really Robin (I'm basing it as 1 year here). Just under a year as Batman. DCNU: If Jason has been back 1.5 years and was Robin for 2, that puts us 3.5 years back in the 5 year timeline. Dick started 5 years ago. He gets 1.5 years as Robin. 2 1/2, almost 3 as Nightwing. Just under a year as Batman.
Bruce Wayne// DCU: Usually we have him get 7 years of training with people assuming he starts at 18 (after school) thus making him 25 when he becomes Batman. Morrison brought his starting age down to 22-23 with the obvious fact Bruce is NOT going to wait until he's 18 before going off to train. He was alone for 2-3 years at which point Dick joined. Dick's been around for at least 11 years (5 or more as Robin, 5 or more as Nightwing, 1 year as Batman). So just add those together. The minimum Bruce was Batman is 13-14 years. This brings his age to 35-37. It's possibly longer though since Morrison hinted Bruce was 40 in an issue, which may hint at a longer Dick/Robin Jason/Robin tenure as mentioned lower down. DCNU: We know he's been around at least 5 years (duh) and more than likely over 6 (Joker's been around at least 6 years), and if Year One is even slightly canon, we know he didn't fight Joker his first year so that brings us put to the minimum of 7 years as Batman. Anymore time as batman at this moment is pure speculation.
Jason Todd// DCU: Was Robin 6-12 months. DCNU: 2 years. It's been stated, accept it. I hate it too.
Tim Drake// DCU: He starts at 14, right? He's 18/19 when the series ends, with just under a year as Red Robin, meaning he was normal Robin for 3-4 years. DCNU: Jason was still Robin until 3.5 years into the 5 year timeline. Bruce was away from the beginning of year 4. That leaves him about 6 month as Robin, just under a year as Red Robin.
Damien// DCU: Was Robin just under a year. DCNU: Was Robin just under a year.
Using this you can work out Cass/Steph's time too. Barabara's/Oracle's too. Note this does not include past times like when Bruce got his spine broke and various brief Robin/Batgirl mantle passovers to other characters.
(And does your info/guesstimates leave any downtime between the different Robins, or does it assume that within a week after Dick leaving Jason takes over, then within a week of Jason's death (he did still "die", didn't he?), Tim takes over? )
Last edited by MajorHoy; 04-25-2012 at 07:42 PM.
^ I only wish these where guesses. These are literally almost exact based on the info DC has given us. Also, yes, these do ignore time between Robins as this would cut their time down even further. I'd assume no more than a few weeks pass by between Robins. Also, their time as Robins include their training time as well. If you give him the same training time as pre-dcnu, then Tim was basically Robin for a month or two. I mean, he was mega-trained due to what happened to Jason, and since he had no prior training (that I can remember)it was necessary. Tim's time as Robin in the dcnu doesn't even make sense. No prior training? And Batman just lets him out with him fighting crime, jumping from rooftop to rooftop obviously within days/weeks of getting the job? Tim's time as Robin barely gives him a chance to train. Even jerk Batman would't risk his life like that. The only way it could possibly work is if the entire Robin cycle isn't "one leaves, one joins" but now "multiple Robins". Maybe Tim was around during Jason's last months as Robin? Who knows.
I just use the timeline I and just about everyone else had in their heads just before Flashpoint, which worked just fine. DC messed up by trying to make the characters seem younger by being around for a shorter time and by trying to hang on to all their old continuity at the same time. If they want to hang on to all the old continuity sure, then I'm not going to adjust any timelines down to 5-10 years or however much they say it is.
That's the one chronological reference I'd prefer to ignore, and there's a pretty valid reason for doing so. As I recall, ROY is the one who says Jason spent two years training with Batman...so Roy could have been mistaken or could have exaggerated the time Jason spent.
I think one possibility for Jason could be that maybe during Dick's second (and final) year in the cowl, it was already starting to get evident to Bruce that Dick was getting tired of being the sidekick and planning to move on. Then he encounters Jason and possibly thinks he could be a suitable replacement for Dick when Dick finally moves on. So he and Dick probably start training Jason while Dick was still Robin, maybe for around six months or so (probably lesser). Then Dick gives up being Robin and Jason takes on the mantle, and is Robin for a little under a year. End result is that Jason has trained with Bruce for a little over a year. Especially if this was spread over two calendar years (e.g. if he started training in 2007 and died in 2008 for instance), then it might be easy for someone like Roy, who likely doesn't know the intricate details of Bruce's history with Jason, to think Jason was with Bruce for 2 years...
But Tim being around and training while Jason was Robin makes zero sense...unless Tim's origin and motivation for becoming Robin has been RADICALLY altered.
^But that's the point, isn't it? Even if Jason's time as Robin IS less than currently stated, that still doesn't help Tim, it gives Dick more time is all, since we know when Jason died/stopped being Robin so Tim could take over. The only things that would make this fit is; he was being trained by Bruce/Jason during Jason's final months, or Tim had been secretly training after he first saw a Robin (Dick) with the future hopes of finding out who Batman is and becoming the next Robin. Otherwise Bruce is sending a kid out who has zero training, and after what just happened to jason is just beyond unlikely.