Pre Crisis Superboy (Clark Kent / Kal El)
Kesel's Superboy (Kon El)
Johns' Superboy (Conner Kent)
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To say it's easier for someone to use the Johns one isn't exactly accurate. When it comes to a creative business, you can use the Kesel version just like you can use the Johns one or even a time displaced alt universe Clark Kent or a future Superman like Kell-El. It's all in execution and what you use. And the Kesel one has enough to put in a shared universe or to create a damn good series. The original Young Justice with Tim, Bart, Kon, Cassie, Secret, and the other team members would have made a good series too.
And not every character has to be connected to Superman. He can have his own villians and the original Match is definitely villain material. Thing is you can have something original without the character being a Superman (no pun intended) clone.
I've never had any trouble syncing Kesel's Superboy with Johns', since David's Young Justice makes a very convincing turn toward maturity for me, and I never really bought the degree of Kon's wannabe playboy-ness. In my mind, much of Superboy's personality at the beginning of the Kesel run is assumed: he was just born, and he's playing the part of the strictly independent adult hero which Cadmus intended him to become ("don't ever call me Superboy!"). His direction in Kesel's second run (I've really never sat down and read much of the original series besides Kesel and Kelly) was far more mature, as he took responsibility within Cadmus and also became humanity's liason with the Animal-Men (or whatever those guys were called). Black Zero, an excellent story, made him confront the power within his grasp and decide the direction he wished to go in the future. His libido also seemed to relax a little after Tana died... as I remember, he didn't have another girlfriend until Cassie.
Young Justice placed him in more trying circumstances, among his superpowered equals, and he also went through some major **** during that period, including Our Worlds At War (love the Superboy tie-in by Kelly) and the whole Secret saga. I've never read Graduation Day, but I'm sure the tragedies which accompanied that and led him to live with the Kents were also instrumental in his transformation.
As for the Luthor retcon, I think the difference between knowing of Luthor's contribution versus Westfield, who was just kind-of a lecherous dick, but nothing major, against a serious, true evil, would be enough to produce doubts as yet unseen. Also, Luthor activated a sleeper command in Conner's brain, which would seriously shake his confidence in being free and autonomous. Overall, he began to really consider the legacy he was now bearing, and as indicated by that neat 'checklist' plot device in Adventure Comics, he was making intentional steps to being closer to Clark and further from Luthor.
So, while I haven't read as much peripheral material about Conner as many of you, I think the change to his Titans version was organic. Whether you like it or not is really what I think is affecting the opinions of some. I didn't like Bart's change one bit, but I still feel it made sense given the trauma (Johns' main calling card) which he suffers.
Edit: Also, avatar notwithstanding, I prefer the Kesel Superboy by a slight margin. Adventure Comics Conner comes very close, though.
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Mort Weisinger was the man.
Curt Swan , John Sikela, George Pap, Kurt Schaffenberger, Al Plastino on the art. Otto Bender and Jerry Siegel and Ed Hamilton on the writing.
Like the black T-Shirt/ YJ TV version too.
Im pretty new to Superboy Can't comment other Superboys, but I like new DCnU Superboy I think powers unique and cool sets him apart other Supers I see his personality start developing more, I really like Tron S costume its really badass and cool, much pefer it to his jeans and t-shirt look I really hope keep his Tron S costume once Nowhere arc done.
I kinda like all of them.
But I grew up with the pre-Crisis/member of the LSH Superboy, so I guess he gets my vote.
As much as I like John's version of Superboy, DCNu Superboy is really growing on me.
So I'll have to go with the underdog here :)
Like you said it's a shared universe so you keep things streamed lined and never only focus one one character.
So "Superman's half clone" or "Superman's clone" is much more accessible to people who have never read about him or even ever read a comic book, than "Human clone made to mimic Superman". The former instills a stronger link to the Superman world for people who have never read or seen Superboy (everyone that's not us) than the latter.
Also it's pretty interesting to note that Superboy was only human (in the 90s) because of the editorial mandate in the 80s that Superman should be the only kryptonian. This is also the only reason Matrix Supergirl was not kryptonian.
2. *sigh* This "more accessible" thing is not fact when you're dealing with individuals who are not a single minded collective. You speak like no one would get this idea or no one ever did get the idea when it's science fiction (where you deal with stories that are not "simplistic"). And the idea is not even close to being complex or hard to understand like you're making it out to be. Many people got the character, new and old, for it to be a successful comic. If they didn't, the new readers would have just dropped it. If you really think comics and media based on comics have to be "simplistic", then you're in the wrong media when simplistic rarely happens. It could have been simplistic to make Superman a superhuman. Or Batman a Bat-man. Or Wonder Woman a human. Come on now....."
And again, Superboy's genetics are owed all to Superman. He's a clone based on Superman, made to be like Superman, and had his own distinct powers to be the NEXT Superman. Key word: "Superman". He already had a link to the Superman world without being a literal clone. So Steel should be Kryptonian or the Eradicator should be a literal Kryptonian just to make them connected to Superman? Geez....
Actually, one of the Supermen, the Cyborg, was the only true genetic clone of Superman and was for years. Mind of a human, body of Kryptonian flesh and Kryptonian steel. There literally was another Kryptonian running around so that "mandate" wasn't exactly stopping them for that to happen. If they wanted to, they could have made him a literal clone. From Karl Kesel's mouth, the idea for Superboy was out of a brainstorming session when they suggested ways that Superman could come back from the dead and one idea was a clone. They took the clone idea combined with Grummett's drawing and the rest was history.Also it's pretty interesting to note that Superboy was only human (in the 90s) because of the editorial mandate in the 80s that Superman should be the only kryptonian. This is also the only reason Matrix Supergirl was not kryptonian.
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Lots of old school fans in here. I couldn't get into him in the 90s. That get up he had on was just too out there.
T-shirt n' jeans Connor bored me. No hate on the old-school fans, but this is the first time I've ever bought a Superboy comic and as you can see form my avatar, still dig it.