Are Bendis & Marvel Just Forgetfull, or Sell-Outs?

[sage6paths]

This is the Internet, if I can't complain here, where the hell else am I supposed to go?

This is the internet if you can't take constructive criticism then where the hell else am I supposed to go? lol.

[GokaiRed]

There isn't even a real story here, just a vague concept, like most events.

I'm sorry, but how would you even know that?

The story is obviously something you won't fully understand until you read it. After it comes out and you choose not to read it, you will then have forfeited the ability to complain and be taken seriously. Obviously, you're free to dislike the concept. But you can't dislike the story of something that you don't know much about.

For all we know, Spider-Men could be the worst event they've created in years. But if that's the case, it won't be because of the concept- it will be because of the story. Which we still don't have all of the details about. The true substance of which could only be derived by actually reading it.

[Elayis]

But most of it wasn't constructive, it was belligerent "I'm right, you're wrong." And pointing out something that I don't like is heresy.

I'm all for constructive criticism. If you noticed, I took back or edited myself where needed. Most of the comments though were just outright bitching.

[sage6paths]

But most of it wasn't constructive, it was belligerent "I'm right, you're wrong." And pointing out something that I don't like is heresy.

I'm all for constructive criticism. If you noticed, I took back or edited myself where needed. Most of the comments though were just outright bitching.

The total sum of my comments was three and I was kind of nice to you. I only agreed with that other guy because he is right. You can talk bad all you want about McDonalds or other place but unless you have tasted the items your obviously going to be biased. Metaphor.

[coveredinbees]

they are sell-outs

[CrazyOldHermit]

How the hell is it possible for a business to be a sellout?

[Wolverine12]

You can't do Peter Parker story with Uncle Ben being a criminal Kingpin, because then you'd need a brand new origin story for Parker on Power and Responsibility.

I would really like to read that story.

[Kurolegacy]

You can't do Peter Parker story with Uncle Ben being a criminal Kingpin, because then you'd need a brand new origin story for Parker on Power and Responsibility.

Personally I gotta ask, why not? I mean we've had some different interpretations of Peter over the years. We've seen him as the Spider-Man we all know and love, we've seen a Noir version of him who clearly wasn't above killing, a ninja version of him and even a version who was a mass murderer bonded to the Carnage symbiot so why not see how Peter's life would shape up if Uncle Ben was a crime lord?

[refrax5]

I don't see it as a mindless cash grab or a vague concept at all. In fact, I'd say this is less like "smashing your action figures together" than any crossover I can remember. If you haven't been reading the series, than there's really no way you can really make that claim. Peter's death had such a huge effect on the entire Ultimate Universe, everyone from Nick Fury to Aunt May to, perhaps most profoundly, Miles Morales.

The idea of any of them interacting with a version of him that got to grow up and reach his full potential would be so emotionally charged, it's pretty much impossible for this not to be a character-driven story. There's a lot of potential for the characters, at least the Ultimate Universe ones. I admit that for Peter, it might not be as shocking or emotional, but still, he'll meet Gwen. I'm also, just because it'll be funny, looking forward to Peter meeting Ultimate Nick Fury.

I just wish people would holster their special brand of fan cynicism and anger towards everything. I mean, if Marvel sucks that much to foster this much rampant negativity on the boards, I'm baffled anyone on here even reads comics.

[Havok C.]

I still don't understand this complaint about cash-grabs and lack of creativity. When was the last time Miles and Peter spoke to each other, compared and contrasted each others' lives, and were given a new perspective because of it? How does that lack creativity? The extremely basic concept has been done before, sure, but the concept isn't the same as the story.

I also don't understand this idea that, because some story could have been done with Ultimate Peter that it automatically means that Miles shouldn't exist. No, Miles should exist because he has a story that is not Peter's, despite similarities in concept. Again, the concept is not the same as the story, and Miles doesn't have the same friends/enemies/potential that Peter had, so claiming that it isn't original or that it should have been done with Peter makes no sense to me. His life experiences are not the same. His background is not identical, by any means. Really, the only things that make him similar at all are brought about purely by virtue of the fact that he lives around the same area that Peter did.

I also wish people would stop referring to Marvel as though the entire company is run by one person, who makes every decision about everything that ever happens, and everyone else is just an Oompa-Loompa, carrying out his wishes. It was stupid of Quesada to say that line in the first place, and I'm glad it's now confirmed that someone made him realize that creativity is more than a concept. I wish more of Marvel's fans agreed.

Quoted for truth. Especially the last part. Same goes with how people complain about Hollywood (but that would be going off topic) people who write and draw books for Marvel or DC do have a lot of control with what direction they want the book to go or how they want it to look like.

[wyokid]

I don't see it as a mindless cash grab or a vague concept at all. In fact, I'd say this is less like "smashing your action figures together" than any crossover I can remember. If you haven't been reading the series, than there's really no way you can really make that claim. Peter's death had such a huge effect on the entire Ultimate Universe, everyone from Nick Fury to Aunt May to, perhaps most profoundly, Miles Morales.

The idea of any of them interacting with a version of him that got to grow up and reach his full potential would be so emotionally charged, it's pretty much impossible for this not to be a character-driven story. There's a lot of potential for the characters, at least the Ultimate Universe ones. I admit that for Peter, it might not be as shocking or emotional, but still, he'll meet Gwen. I'm also, just because it'll be funny, looking forward to Peter meeting Ultimate Nick Fury.

I just wish people would holster their special brand of fan cynicism and anger towards everything. I mean, if Marvel sucks that much to foster this much rampant negativity on the boards, I'm baffled anyone on here even reads comics.

[Elayis]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have repeat myself, but I'll do it again.

I've pretty much read every Ultimate story. I have probably 15 oversize hardcovers and a bunch of other trades. The Ultimate Universe was my gateway into the Marvel Universe at large. Ultimate X-Men was the first series I started following regularly. The Ultimates (by Millar) was the first time I ever heard of Captain America or Iron Man or Thor. I have a huge fondness for the UU, which is why I suffered through Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum before I finally decided that I could no longer buy books that I didn't enjoy just for completenesses sake.

So, of the recent issues, I've read all of the second volume of Spider-Man (which started with Lafuente and ended with Peter's death), I've read all of Ultimate Avengers, and I own the Thor & Cap minis but jus haven't gotten around to reading them yet. I picked up the first issues of the 4 new relaunched series, and even stuck with Spidey until issue five, but Ultimates and Hawkeye were the only ones that kept my interest (mainly because of Hickman).

So I am caught up, just not completely up-to-date.

But again, I just want to clarify that I really didn't intend for this thread to be antagonistic, and I take full responsibility for it. I was just curious if that question had been asked, and people's general feelings were about Spider-Men, and the current status of the UU.

My intial reaction to this series was born out of my event-fatigue and he general dislike of Marvel's current output (where I once picked up about 40 Marvel titles a month, I am now only getting about five, if that). I also feel that Bendis, along with most of the writers that started at Marvel around 2000 are creatively spent and have nothing new to add anymore (although, again, I did enjoy Death of Spider-Man).

Also, I will say that I am glad that I posted here, because it gave me a few different perspectives on this book. I think I'm even actually going to try it out now, so thank you.

[Trevor M.]

Definitely sell-outs.

[Z-verse]

They already addressed this and this has been discussed several times. Besides, it wasn't Bendis who said it, so get your facts straight(No offence). Things change and a story was pitch that made them think a crossover was worth while.

And it makes more sense now, since it's Peter meeting Miles

Also, you are wrong. The current Ultimate Spider-Man book is one of the best books in the market. Then again, you just said you aren't reading it, so obviously you wouldn't know.

And no, Miles story(Which is different from Peter's) couldn't have been done with Peter. This crossover certainly couldn't have been done with Ultimate Peter or at least, it wouldn't be as interesting.

And you say you Dislike Ultimate Spider-Man, yet here you are talking about it.

We really didn't need another thread for this.


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You could look at the other threads yourself. And the current Ultimate books are actually rather good.






There is a clear reason behind it, what makes you think there isn't? The reason they are doing it is because there is a good reason to do it storywise.

Really? I think that they are just doing it because it is the big 50 for the spidey franchise. I think they are doing it because there is nothing else for Miles to do. Miles is not a bad character in my opinion, but his book has fallen far from the top of the buy list and is still falling down the list as we are speaking. Meaning that people realize that Miles and his 75% boring story was a cash grab, or a political correction for the modern times. Honestly, they needed money. The Ultimate books had fallen off since the beginning of 2011. Even now the only good UU book is Ultimate comics:Ultimates. So what is the great story behind SPIDER-MEN? WE DON'T KNOW YET? But judging by the images they have given, Miles will go to the 616 verse, not the other way around, and that maybe 616 wolvie and Steve Rogers will go to 1610. MAYBE. Still, there was no originality to the final announcement of Spider-Men so why would the story be worth it?

[Z-verse]

This is the internet if you can't take constructive criticism then where the hell else am I supposed to go? lol.

True DAT!!