Do you like Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman?

[momaw]

It would have been interesting to see where the voting fell for older readers of WW. This reminds me very much of the backlash from old fans of Green Lantern to Geoff John's run.

[brettc1]

COIE came before TDKR....

Yes and no.

Crisis started in April 1985 and finished in March 1986.

The first issue of TDKR came out in February 1986, before the end of Crisis and the rebooting of the DCU. DC therefore had the story in hand, and before Crisis ended already had a gauge of the enormous popularity of Millers reimagining of the Batman.

This is most likely why went Bats turned up in Byrne's Man of Steel mini that relaunched Superman, he and Clark are not friends as they were in the classic first meeting. Clark's parting statement that he will be keeping an eye on Batman 'so you dont ruin it for the rest of us' is very much in keeping with Superman's dialogue in TDKR that Batman's ruthlessness was factor in the heroes being outlawed.

[Mr. Holmes]

Is there any such character.

Well if there weren't other characters that ever sold consistently, DC would have taken action long ago. The fact that characters like Green Lantern and Flash had to go through major overhauls due to lack of sales indicates that they did sell much better at one point.

In other words, while change can translate to sales things can get out of hand. Usually this is by reversing some of those changes.

The key word being "some." While some of Byrne and Miller's Batman changed, they set up aspects of the character that still remain today. It's not about the pendulum swinging, it's about finding a happy balance. So sure, if you're implying the same will happen with Wonder Woman, I don't doubt it. But we'll see what happens from here.

In fact, I seem to recall at one point DC and Didio said they would get back to a place where their heroes liked each other, and DC would be the happier alternative for comic readers, Somewhere along the way thay vision was clearly abandoned, cause the current run on WW is anything but sunny.

It's not one extreme or the other. And I don't see how "heroes liking each other = bright and sunny comics."

[dupersuper]

Still - coming up on 6000 posts and about 99% of those on the WW boards

Hmmmm, I wonder how my posts break down between forums.

Sorry I read nothing in this post, but the picture's awesome.

[brettc1]

It's not one extreme or the other. And I don't see how "heroes liking each other = bright and sunny comics."

Maybe its the opposite of heroes hating each other and fighting against each other.

[brettc1]

The key word being "some." While some of Byrne and Miller's Batman changed, they set up aspects of the character that still remain today. It's not about the pendulum swinging, it's about finding a happy balance. So sure, if you're implying the same will happen with Wonder Woman, I don't doubt it. But we'll see what happens from here.

I disagree - it is a pendulum. How much of what Byrne did remains today? Supergirl is back. Barry Allen is again the Flash. After a long hiatus Hal Jordan is Green Lantern again. Even Huntress seems to have reverted to her Wayne character. Barbara Gordon has gone from Oracle back to Batgirl.

Schwing.

[Mr. Holmes]

Maybe its the opposite of heroes hating each other and fighting against each other.

Sure, but they're not perfectly dependent factors.

I disagree - it is a pendulum. How much of what Byrne did remains today?

Byrne isn't the best example, because I think his reboot of Superman was very poor. On the other hand, Batman is influenced by Miller's revamp. Morrison tried progressing out of that, but those changes haven't stuck with the relaunch.

Supergirl is back. Barry Allen is again the Flash. After a long hiatus Hal Jordan is Green Lantern again. Even Huntress seems to have reverted to her Wayne character. Barbara Gordon has gone from Oracle back to Batgirl.

Schwing.

That has nothing to do with Miller and Byrne (and to an extent Azzarello's WW) changing the tone.

[wagthedog]

Byrne isn't the best example, because I think his reboot of Superman was very poor. On the other hand, Batman is influenced by Miller's revamp. Morrison tried progressing out of that, but those changes haven't stuck with the relaunch.

Actually, his reboot of Superman was praised by many critics and readers alike when it came out. Kind of like how Azz is getting praise for his Wonder Woman relaunch now.

You may not have liked the Byrne reboot, but then again others don't like the Azz reboot. Yet, they are both doing well with the critics and sales seem to indicate so till this point.

[Mr. Holmes]

Actually, his reboot of Superman was praised by many critics and readers alike when it came out. Kind of like how Azz is getting praise for his Wonder Woman relaunch now.

The only way to tell is to see how it holds up over time. Byrne's changes have been undone, whereas Miller's influence on Batman is still carrying strong. You're also missing that Wonder Woman hasn't been able to consistently sell until recently, whereas Superman was at his peak in popularity long before Byrne.

[WhitOro]

102 on 47.

[Gaelforce]

Whitoro,

Enough with trying to fan the flames, please.

[Gaelforce]

The only way to tell is to see how it holds up over time. Byrne's changes have been undone, whereas Miller's influence on Batman is still carrying strong. You're also missing that Wonder Woman hasn't been able to consistently sell until recently, whereas Superman was at his peak in popularity long before Byrne.

I'm sorry, but regardless of whether or not you like Azzarello's current run, she's not selling 'consistently' at all. There has been about a 50% drop since issue one. This is to be expected of any new title, though, but it's definitely too early to declare sales as being 'consistent.' Azzarello's numbers may well level out at a high level, but they haven't done so yet.

[WhitOro]

Whitoro,

Enough with trying to fan the flames, please.

I apologize.

[Gaelforce]

I apologize.

Many thanks for the edit :)

[Maximum Impact]

Sorry I read nothing in this post, but the picture's awesome.

Isn't it though? The gist was that everyone isn't happy with the current run, but you probably already knew that.