Do you like Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman?

[Maximum Impact]

Seriously, you are wrong. Most of the people here are the same, if anything most of the more vocal posters here who criticized past runs are gone. And many of the "prolific posters" you are looking for are more interested in other agendas other than Wonder Woman. Regulations have tightened so most of those are now kept into a minimum.

See the above post.

[brettc1]

I was thinking of the posters in the sticky threads with WW avatars and Wondercentric names that rarely post anymore if ever.

Still - coming up on 6000 posts and about 99% of those on the WW boards

[Maximum Impact]

Congratulations old timer.

[Wulfmir]

I was thinking of the posters in the sticky threads with WW avatars and Wondercentric names that rarely post anymore if ever.

Huh, like they were the only prolific posters here? There have been plenty of insightful posters here without Wondercentric names or avatars. They still come and go and mostly I see them at the main DC forum of this board.

And the posters you miss, I don't think anyone is stopping them from posting or criticizing this run. I've done that plenty of times, even on Azzarello's.

[Dr. Hurt]

WW #8 won book of the week.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...8-2012-Edition

WW also won best JL family book.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...ch-is-the-best

[WhitOro]

WW #8 won book of the week.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...8-2012-Edition

WW also won best JL family book.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...ch-is-the-best

[Cowtools]

Y'know, I better before issue #7 and the Amazon problem, this poll would have been weighted more like 80% to 'yes'.
Before #7 I would have voted 'yes, unequivocally'.
Now I'm voting 'yes, with reservations'.

[billee0918]

WW #8 won book of the week.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...8-2012-Edition

WW also won best JL family book.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...ch-is-the-best

Nice! Great to see the continued positive reaction to this book.

[Hawk_fan]

NO.

This is just not the world of Wonder Woman for me.
Perez did it the best.

[Maximum Impact]

Nice! Great to see the continued positive reaction to this book.

http://www.geekscape.net/how-dc-comi...ying-her-comic

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blo...r-woman-7.html

[billee0918]

They sure gonna!


Newsarama: *Azzarello and Chiang’s Wonder Woman is a stunning mesh of mythology and reality, which embodies what Diana is. Wonder Woman #1 is a glorious beginning, and I am grateful that our warrior princess has returned.*

Newsarama: *Now this is Wonder Woman. After a year of well-documented fits and starts, Diana has been restored to full glory in this thrilling, exquisitely illustrated relaunch.*

Comic Book Movie says: Very impressive first issue, writing is FANTASTIC and the artwork is BEAUTIFUL.*

Fandom Post: The only thing I can really say about the new Wonder Woman comic that isn’t praise and glowing fanboy-isms already stated, is that….the story, tone, and art Brain Azzarello and Cliff Chiang have created here is something unique and special, even among the new 52.

From CBR's The Buy Pile: The intimate, deft visuals from Cliff Chiang and Matthew Wilson perfectly set these interesting scenes and wow, this is one heck of a surprise. More, please.*

Four star review from Major Spoilers: Azzarello and Chiang are doing some great stuff on Wonder Woman that you won’t want to miss*

Primary Ignition says: Brian Azzarello has gone on record saying that a change like this is something the character desperately needs. Based on his writing in this issue, combined with Cliff Chiang’s beautiful art, I’m inclined to believe him.*

Fandom Post give it an A and summarizes with:
In Summary:
Azzarello is definitely following through on his promises with Wonder Woman. This series just feels like something completely different than the rest of DC’s line up. With the utterly beautiful artwork by Cliff Chiang that is both alien and familiar, Wonder Woman starts off strong as one of the hands-down best of the New 52. **
Grade: A

http://www.fandompost.com/2011/10/20...oman-2-review/

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/best...111121.html412

"The creative team of Azzarello and Chiang have a huge risk here, taking a character so ingrained in the DCU and changing her origin story. However, the way it is approached in this issue is some of the finest sequential story telling I've seen in a long while. The book opens with a dialog free page, one of several primarily visual pages. Mind you, this isn't lazy writing by any means — it's a comic writer and comic artist working together to show the story where possible, rather than simply "telling" the story. Chiang is the right man for the job and his art tells a story with a slow burn, making those moments of action really pop and carry more impact

Fandom Post give it an A and summarizes with:
In Summary:
Azzarello is definitely following through on his promises with Wonder Woman. This series just feels like something completely different than the rest of DC’s line up. With the utterly beautiful artwork by Cliff Chiang that is both alien and familiar, Wonder Woman starts off strong as one of the hands-down best of the New 52. **
Grade: A

http://www.fandompost.com/2011/10/20...oman-2-review/


Newsarama: *Azzarello and Chiang’s Wonder Woman is a stunning mesh of mythology and reality, which embodies what Diana is. Wonder Woman #1 is a glorious beginning, and I am grateful that our warrior princess has returned.*

Newsarama: *Now this is Wonder Woman. After a year of well-documented fits and starts, Diana has been restored to full glory in this thrilling, exquisitely illustrated relaunch.*

Comic Book Movie says: Very impressive first issue, writing is FANTASTIC and the artwork is BEAUTIFUL.*

Fandom Post: The only thing I can really say about the new Wonder Woman comic that isn’t praise and glowing fanboy-isms already stated, is that….the story, tone, and art Brain Azzarello and Cliff Chiang have created here is something unique and special, even among the new 52. It is so unique that quite honestly, I am not super looking forward to Wonder Woman being introduced in the Justice League comic. This is her comic and that’s the way I want it to stay!*

From CBR's The Buy Pile: The intimate, deft visuals from Cliff Chiang and Matthew Wilson perfectly set these interesting scenes and wow, this is one heck of a surprise. More, please.*

Four star review from Major Spoilers: Azzarello and Chiang are doing some great stuff on Wonder Woman that you won’t want to miss*

Primary Ignition says: Brian Azzarello has gone on record saying that a change like this is something the character desperately needs. Based on his writing in this issue, combined with Cliff Chiang’s beautiful art, I’m inclined to believe him.*

ign gives it 8.5/Great and says:*
...yet another success in the short life of this series*

http://comics.ign.com/articles/121/1212742p1.html

4.5 Stars from CBR, who chime in with:*
Taken as a whole, this is shaping up to be a powerful tale, tinged with horror and filled with adventure. This issue, in particular, runs the full gamut, giving us adventure, horror, drama, and foreshadowing of things to come as Diana faces a future filled with uncertainty. Certainly, that will make for some great reading for us.*
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=4148*

CBR gives this month's issue 4.5 stars, concluding:

"Wonder Woman" just gets better and better every month, and I'm already mentally allocating space on my bookshelves for a collected edition in 2012. Thanks to Azzarello and Chiang, "Wonder Woman" isn't just good, it's a must-read. This is, by far, one of the roaring successes of the DC Comics re-launch.

Fandom Post give it an A and summarizes with:
In Summary:
Azzarello is definitely following through on his promises with Wonder Woman. This series just feels like something completely different than the rest of DC’s line up. With the utterly beautiful artwork by Cliff Chiang that is both alien and familiar, Wonder Woman starts off strong as one of the hands-down best of the New 52. **
Grade: A

Comic Book Movie says: Very impressive first issue, writing is FANTASTIC and the artwork is BEAUTIFUL.*

Fandom Post: The only thing I can really say about the new Wonder Woman comic that isn’t praise and glowing fanboy-isms already stated, is that….the story, tone, and art Brain Azzarello and Cliff Chiang have created here is something unique and special, even among the new 52. It is so unique that quite honestly, I am not super looking forward to Wonder Woman being introduced in the Justice League comic. This is her comic and that’s the way I want it to stay!*

From CBR's The Buy Pile: The intimate, deft visuals from Cliff Chiang and Matthew Wilson perfectly set these interesting scenes and wow, this is one heck of a surprise. More, please.*

Four star review from Major Spoilers: Azzarello and Chiang are doing some great stuff on Wonder Woman that you won’t want to miss*

Primary Ignition says: Brian Azzarello has gone on record saying that a change like this is something the character desperately needs. Based on his writing in this issue, combined with Cliff Chiang’s beautiful art, I’m inclined to believe him.*

Fandom Post give it an A and summarizes with:
In Summary:
Azzarello is definitely following through on his promises with Wonder Woman. This series just feels like something completely different than the rest of DC’s line up. With the utterly beautiful artwork by Cliff Chiang that is both alien and familiar, Wonder Woman starts off strong as one of the hands-down best of the New 52. **
Grade: A

http://www.fandompost.com/2011/10/20...oman-2-review/

Comic Book Movie says: Very impressive first issue, writing is FANTASTIC and the artwork is BEAUTIFUL.*

Fandom Post: The only thing I can really say about the new Wonder Woman comic that isn’t praise and glowing fanboy-isms already stated, is that….the story, tone, and art Brain Azzarello and Cliff Chiang have created here is something unique and special, even among the new 52. It is so unique that quite honestly, I am not super looking forward to Wonder Woman being introduced in the Justice League comic. This is her comic and that’s the way I want it to stay!*

From CBR's The Buy Pile: The intimate, deft visuals from Cliff Chiang and Matthew Wilson perfectly set these interesting scenes and wow, this is one heck of a surprise. More, please.*

Four star review from Major Spoilers: Azzarello and Chiang are doing some great stuff on Wonder Woman that you won’t want to miss*

Primary Ignition says: Brian Azzarello has gone on record saying that a change like this is something the character desperately needs. Based on his writing in this issue, combined with Cliff Chiang’s beautiful art, I’m inclined to believe him

CBR's review of issue five sums it up beautifully:

Wonder Woman" is the bright shining star of DC Comics' new 52. It's a book many had their eyes on thanks to such an innovative and bold choice of creative team; but it's also a book that had many fans skeptical given the troubled history of the book. It's nice to see such a fantastic payoff, with Diana again in a truly wonderful and well-considered book.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...review&id=4371



So much attention has been paid to how lush the world is that Azzarello has built around Wonder Woman in this comic that it seems the strong female character at the heart of this world is being ignored. This is the most relatable and human version of Princess Diana to see print in years, and Azzarello manages that characterization without losing a hint of her Amazonian strength. And need I mention Cliff Chiang, one of the most talented artists working in comics today?

http://www.playbackstl.com/best-of-2...-steve-higgins

"Wonder Woman" by Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang. For readers who enjoy mythology, Azzarello and Chiang tell an epic Greek tragedy in the pages of this book and it's amazing. The opening arc is packed with betrayal, war, love, death, magic and Wonder Woman fighting centaurs.

[Gaelforce]

Guys? The 'haters gonna hate' type posts (and similar kinds of reponses) don't contribute anything to the discussion and are a bit antagonistic towards people with opposing viewpoints. There's no need for them, so please refrain from using them.

Thanks!

Gaelforce
WW Section Mom/Moderator

[Wulfmir]

Guys? The 'haters gonna hate' type posts (and similar kinds of reponses) don't contribute anything to the discussion and are a bit antagonistic towards people with opposing viewpoints. There's no need for them, so please refrain from using them.

But frankly, they're are the most appropriate. Especially for the one who keeps on saying "I don't care."

[Fate's Faith]

One comment about the good reviews. I do wonder just how much is this in reaction to Wonder Woman becoming interesting after years of being uninteresting instead of genuine belief this is a well written comic. I think its well written but I also have a big response to its making a character I've enjoyed in theory for years be extremely enjoyable issue to issue.

And the bad reviews or blogs, I'm struck how little of the past they actually comment on as being the reason for their admiration of the character and instead focus almost exclusively on the admiration of her as an icon or symbol. So of course they matter next to nothing to me since their ideas of icons don't make good reading. For me at least and apparently not them either.

[Maximum Impact]

They sure gonna!

http://comicbookvirgin.com/comic-boo...i-go-long.html

DC Idiocy Edition
by Noah Berlatsky

April 7, 2012 10:57 am


Kelly Thompson had a piece a couple weeks back about Brian Azzarello’s decision to make Wonder Woman’s Amazons into lying child-murdering rapists. She points out that this is maybe possibly problematic.

Anyway, I haven’t read the issues in question, but I left a couple of comments about Marston/Peter because I can’t help myself. I thought I’d reprint them below, because, what the hell, it’s my blog. So here you go.

First comment here.

“The Amazons may not have been created originally to be such a thing,”

AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry. Deep breaths…..

William Marston, who created Wonder Woman, was a passionate, ideologically committed feminist. He believed women were better than men in just about every way — smarter, stronger, more compassionate, more fitted to rule.

The Amazons were absolutely, incontestably, intentionally meant as feminist icons. They were meant to be feminist examples for girls and *for boys.* It is impossible to read Marston’s Wonder Woman stories and doubt this; it’s impossible to read what he wrote about the character and doubt it. There simply is no doubt. The Amazons are feminist icons now because they were meant to be feminist icons by their creator. From the very first Wonder Woman story, they were established as feminist icons.

You know how horrified you are by castrating, evil, violent Amazons preying on men? Double that. Then double it again. Then, what the hey, double it a third time. That’s how absolutely, down to his socks horrified Wiliam Marston would be to see his beloved creations used in this manner. It is a deliberate, misogynist, betrayal of his vision. Azzarello might as well dig up the man’s corpse and defecate on it.

The fact that no one — not even committed Wonder Woman fans — knows about Marston or what he wanted for his creation is yet another sign of DC’s contempt for creator’s rights. (Which is in addition to their contempt for women, of course.)

Okay…sorry. End of rant.

And a second comment.

Wow…just skimmed through this.

I think for me the point is that Wonder Woman was very consciously created as a feminist statement. You can argue about the parameters of that statement (the swimsuit? amazons on a pedestal?) and certainly it wasn’t perfect in every way (though Marston and Peter are actually pretty thoughtful and complicated — they’re take on issues of war and peace, for example, is a lot more subtle than some folks here seem to think.) But be that as it way, Wonder Woman is decidedly, definitively a feminist vision for girls *and* for boys.

That was, and remains, extremely unusual for pop culture — or, for that matter, for any culture. You just don’t see a whole lot of movies, or books, much less comics, in which (a) the woman is the hero, (b) female friendships are central to her heroism, (c) feminism is explicitly, repeatedly, and ideologically presented as the basis for her heroism.

Since Marston and Peter, there have been a lot of creators who have, in one way or another, decided that the thing to do with the character is jettison the feminism. It’s important to realize that when they do that, they betray the original vision of the character in a way which is really, to my mind, fairly despicable. If you care about creator’s rights at all, what Azzarello is doing is really problematic.

Beyond that, though, to take a character who is originally, definitively intended to be feminist, and make her ideologically anti-feminist, is a really aggressive ideological act. One of the things Marston was doing was taking a negative mythological portrayal (the Amazons) and turning it into a feminist vision. Azzarello is turning that around and changing it back into a misogynist vision. Marston did what he did because he was a committed feminist. Azzarello is doing what he is doing…because he’s a committed misogynist? Because he’s not really thinking that hard about what he’s doing? Because he’s just getting his kicks? Whatever the reason, it is, as I said, a very definite decision with very definite ideological ramifications, and he deserves to be called on them.

http://www.geekmom.com/2012/03/happy...aywonderwoman/