Reviews for *** The AVENGERS *** are in and... WOW !!!

**Phil Clark** · 05-12-2012, 07:31 AM

Nope, it would have been Whedon saying "Get his ass out of here and give me an actor I can work with, not one who wants to do my damn job!".

Or something to that effect. Besides, I liked the new interpretation of Banner. Finally we have moved completely away from the Bill Bixby TV Series and made the comics version of the Hulk. And it was awesomeness. I don't expect it will happen, but I would love Whedon to do the next Hulk film, with the Leader as the villain.

**Mia** · 05-12-2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Phil Clark

Sorry you didn't enjoy it more. But I wouldn't say it was necessarily aimed at Teenage Boys and UFC fans. You just have different standards for your storytelling then we do. What you saw as forced and contrived, I found flowing and natural. As far as aping Hitler, if your gonna ape, ape the best. Hitler has been aped in one way or another in thousands of stories. And the point of the dialog is that you are exactly right, the heroes didn't have any philosophical differences. They were just used to being the only gun on the block, and were slow to trust others with the same powers. But once they realized that they needed each other, they were able to work together.

What you found annoying about Tony Stark, the majority of us find endearing and engaging. Yeah, he is a smartass. But that is because he is one smart man. Perhaps the most brilliant man on the planet, but he does it with a self deprecating sense of humor. He not only jabs at others, but himself as well.

Given the reviews I was expecting something that had the depth and intelligence of the books (or at least what used to be in the books, I stopped reading Avengers shortly after the re-boot, just wasn't working for me) or like some of the other comic book films. This film for the most part really had none of it. That scene where Black Widow was introduced just made me cringe. I mean come on! And if the main villain could be taken out the way he was. Why wasn't he destroyed like that in the beggining?

Again I reiterate, with the exception of the IM I loved the rest of the cast. Especially Hemsworth and Evans. They really saved the film for me and didn't make the whole experience a complete fiasco. But on a whole I just found the whole storyline to be paper thin. I hope they do better next time.

Originally Posted by Phil Clark

Again, differing opinions. I am by no means trying to convince you that you are wrong (you aren't necessarily) or that I am righter than you (which I am not). Just stating my take on some of the same things. If we all liked the exact same things, every film that came out would cater to those elements, and therefore, none of them would be interesting or different.

Thank you for your polite and intelligent response. Exchanges and critiques from people like you are one of the reasons CBR is one of the few MB I post on.

**Mr. Holmes** · 05-12-2012, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Phil Clark

Nope, it would have been Whedon saying "Get his ass out of here and give me an actor I can work with, not one who wants to do my damn job!".

Or something to that effect. Besides, I liked the new interpretation of Banner. Finally we have moved completely away from the Bill Bixby TV Series and made the comics version of the Hulk. And it was awesomeness. I don't expect it will happen, but I would love Whedon to do the next Hulk film, with the Leader as the villain.

I disagree. For all the conflict about using the Hulk technology as a weapon, that's exactly what he is in Avengers.

**Spike-X** · 05-12-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mia

That scene where Black Widow was introduced just made me cringe. I mean come on!

Could you elaborate a little?

**Eliseu Gouveia** · 05-12-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Spike-X

Could you elaborate a little?

Yeah, Hairbut aside, that was a badass scenne, IMHO.

**thwhtGuardian** · 05-12-2012, 04:34 PM

I just saw it last night and I have to say it was an overall great movie.

For me there were really only two glitches in the film: the importance of Coulson's death and the reveal at the end.

You could tell by the way the scene was framed and the reaction from Tony that Coulson's death was supposed to be this big deal, but I just didn't feel it. He was a fun character and he had some great lines but I had no more of an emotional connection to him than I did for random shield agent #11. He had more screen time than your average back ground agent but there wasn't enough real characterization for him that made his death seem that meaningful.

And the villain reveal? I think he's just too obscure to make the scene work. For a teaser to work it needs to contain an element or question from the movie you just saw that was really burning a hole in your mind to cause excitement for the next installment and introducing a brand new villain that most of the audience isn't aware of with out any exposition just doesn't achieve that end.
Heck even for someone who knew who the villain was like me the scene wasn't that exciting as he just doesn't do anything for me as a character. There are a half a dozen other villains I'd rather see than him...most of them not available due rights issues.

Still, it was a total riot, I loved the Hulk and the overall team chemistry and I'd definitely buy ticket for the sequel.

**Spike-X** · 05-12-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian

You could tell by the way the scene was framed and the reaction from Tony that Coulson's death was supposed to be this big deal, but I just didn't feel it. He was a fun character and he had some great lines but I had no more of an emotional connection to him than I did for random shield agent #11. He had more screen time than your average back ground agent but there wasn't enough real characterization for him that made his death seem that meaningful.

I strongly disagree. I think most of the audience had become rather attached to Coulson over the last few movies, and his death certainly came as an unwelcome shock to me, and to many others.

**Conn Seanery** · 05-12-2012, 04:48 PM

I don't consider the post/mid credits scenes in these kinds of superhero films to be there for the average movie-goer, they're there for us comic fans. The film is basically done at this point, the story's been told, so anything after that is gravy. Joe Average doesn't need to know who Thanos is at this point, if he's the villain in the sequel they'll be brought up to speed then.

**Eliseu Gouveia** · 05-12-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian

You could tell by the way the scene was framed and the reaction from Tony that Coulson's death was supposed to be this big deal, but I just didn't feel it. He was a fun character and he had some great lines but I had no more of an emotional connection to him than I did for random shield agent #11. He had more screen time than your average back ground agent but there wasn't enough real characterization for him that made his death seem that meaningful.

I somewhat agree, I felt the same for Coulson´s death as I would have felt if Joss had killed the Galaga agent instead.

Needed some finetunning.

**Spike-X** · 05-12-2012, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Eliseu Gouveia

I somewhat agree, I felt the same for Coulson´s death as I would have felt if Joss had killed the Galaga agent instead.

Needed some finetunning.

A fellow called Quint at AICN has a theory about that.

**thwhtGuardian** · 05-12-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Conn Seanery

I don't consider the post/mid credits scenes in these kinds of superhero films to be there for the average movie-goer, they're there for us comic fans. The film is basically done at this point, the story's been told, so anything after that is gravy. Joe Average doesn't need to know who Thanos is at this point, if he's the villain in the sequel they'll be brought up to speed then.

They certainly are more for the comics fans but the others worked for the average movie goer as well, people cheered when Tony Stark showed up to talk to Ross and it got them pumped to see the next movie, none of the people in the theater I was at had that reaction to seeing Thanos.

**Spike-X** · 05-12-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian

They certainly are more for the comics fans but the others worked for the average movie goer as well, people cheered when Tony Stark showed up to talk to Ross and it got them pumped to see the next movie, none of the people in the theater I was at had that reaction to seeing Thanos.

Did they pop like that when Tony Stark came home to find Nick Fury in his house?

**Conn Seanery** · 05-12-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian

They certainly are more for the comics fans but the others worked for the average movie goer as well, people cheered when Tony Stark showed up to talk to Ross and it got them pumped to see the next movie, none of the people in the theater I was at had that reaction to seeing Thanos.

I'm not saying it's impossible for non-comic readers to enjoy them, I'm just saying that it's not ultimately necessary for them enjoy them (or even "get" them).

Like you said, Thanos is an obscure villain. Why make that teaser if not for us?

**Eliseu Gouveia** · 05-12-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Conn Seanery

I'm not saying it's impossible for non-comic readers to enjoy them, I'm just saying that it's not ultimately necessary for them enjoy them (or even "get" them).

Like you said, Thanos is an obscure villain. Why make that teaser if not for us?

Even if they have no idea who he is, the trailer is still partly aimed at non-comic readers who get a glimpse of the ominous bad guy pulling all the strings behind the scennes.

I know that my cousin and my nieces were all intrigued and excited about this new threat and dying to learn more about him. In their own words:
"- Who is HE? He looks dangerous!"

**carabas** · 05-12-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian

You could tell by the way the scene was framed and the reaction from Tony that Coulson's death was supposed to be this big deal, but I just didn't feel it. He was a fun character and he had some great lines but I had no more of an emotional connection to him than I did for random shield agent #11. He had more screen time than your average back ground agent but there wasn't enough real characterization for him that made his death seem that meaningful.

Well, Agent Coulson in his few limited appearances has quickly become one of my favourite Marvel characters of all time... So your mileage on that may vary massively. Personally, I wouldn't have cared at all if it had been Captain America who had been killed.

And the villain reveal? I think he's just too obscure to make the scene work. For a teaser to work it needs to contain an element or question from the movie you just saw that was really burning a hole in your mind to cause excitement for the next installment and introducing a brand new villain that most of the audience isn't aware of with out any exposition just doesn't achieve that end.
Heck even for someone who knew who the villain was like me the scene wasn't that exciting as he just doesn't do anything for me as a character. There are a half a dozen other villains I'd rather see than him...most of them not available due rights issues.

You're basically sayinghere that none of the otehr Marvel teasers have worked. They weer all about teasing something mainstream audiences wouldn't be even remotely familiar with.