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    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    Because theirs is a small society based on an ancient culture on a limited landmass with limited resources that is cut off from the rest of the world, or more importantly, the billions of people collectively progressing said world.
    It's fiction. They don't have to be so die-hard on the ancient culture, do they? Or was that just a choice by the author, a choice he could have made differently?

    They're also immortal, no? So no death to old age and disease, right? And if they are so cut off from the world, no one from outside is attacking them, right?

    But then, if they are so cut off, how do they find these men?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Hurt View Post
    Well put. Who would expect anyone in their position to advance to Star Trek tech?


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    crap
    end of spoilers? Really? We can't do better than that? Or is it all about the dirt?

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    Who would expect a man from space (who happens to look just like us) to bounce bullets off his chest and fly when he soaks up the sun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    So, basically it has to be this way because the author created a world where it has to be this way? So that's the only way? Because the author couldn't have come up with a world where it didn't have to be this way?
    For the author to tell his story, this had to happen, so...yes? He could have done it differently, but then the story would be different.

    So, you'd never judge me killing someone as long as I thought it sounded like a good idea at the time? It's all a-ok to you?
    That's not even a remotely accurate comparison. That's not what they're doing.

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    Hey now, at least throw some quotation marks up there. The loud, spiteful ones do not represent them as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    You may not be alone, but your logical inconsistency is a false illusion that doesn't have to exist. A little know director by the name George Lucas managed to sell a few movie tickets based around warriors (imperfect, too) that fight for peace. It's a big theme in many kung-fu movies, too. In fact, in our imperfect world, the UN sends peace keepers, soldiers with guns, to areas to try and promote peace (although, they aren't the most effective). It really isn't such a foreign concept.
    And yet the Amazons dont ever leave the island to help out, share their technology or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    It's fiction. They don't have to be so die-hard on the ancient culture, do they? Or was that just a choice by the author, a choice he could have made differently?

    They're also immortal, no? So no death to old age and disease, right? And if they are so cut off from the world, no one from outside is attacking them, right?

    But then, if they are so cut off, how do they find these men?
    This is a two-way street. It's fiction, so they can be whatever the writer wants them to be.

    And there's no real indication that they're still immortal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Hurt View Post
    And yet the Amazons dont ever leave the island to help out, share their technology or whatever.
    Um, hello: Wonder Woman. You might have heard of her. Part of the whole idea is that she's here to share (which people complain about). Besides, do we give away all our technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    That's not even a remotely accurate comparison. That's not what they're doing.
    How is this not comparable? Aren't the Amazons (apparently) doing what they're doing because they think it's a good idea?

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    This is a two-way street. It's fiction, so they can be whatever the writer wants them to be.
    Exactly. They don't have to be dirty. Yes, the story would be different, and imo, it may just even be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    How is this not comparable? Aren't the Amazons (apparently) doing what they're doing because they think it's a good idea?
    They do it to continue their entire society. It's not something they just do for kicks.

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    Exactly. They don't have to be dirty. Yes, the story would be different, and imo, it may just even be better.
    No, you just would have liked it better. It's a dark story. Injecting some idyllic lightheartedness, particularly at such a crucial character moment, would have thrown the whole thing off.

    This isn't a story about the Amazons, it's about Wonder Woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanboiii View Post
    Warriors don't go on raids or pillage? Hello Megan, war is murder. Are Vikings barbarians?
    the vikings were actually a well cultured civilization and provided the final injection of Germanic culture Western Europe needed to thrive. Indeed they were far more civilized than the barbarous Franks under Charles the 'Great'

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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    Um, hello: Wonder Woman. You might have heard of her. Part of the whole idea is that she's here to share (which people complain about). Besides, do we give away all our technology?
    Again, they're training for peace, they lecture us about peace, and all they so is watch paint dry on their island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    They do it to continue their entire society. It's not something they just do for kicks.
    Pretty weak justification in my book, mainly because there are other options.

    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    No, you just would have liked it better. It's a dark story. Injecting some idyllic lightheartedness, particularly at such a crucial character moment, would have thrown the whole thing off.
    a) Who said WW has to be written dark? and b) I never said they had to inject some idyllic lightheartedness. It can and has succeeded without being a "horror" story. In short, I want to throw this whole thing off. JK (mostly).

    Honest question: Would it really throw the whole thing off?

    Imagine this story without that lil' tidbit from Hephy - or imagine that Hephy's story is mostly false - does that really ruin your enjoyment of this story?


    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    This isn't a story about the Amazons, it's about Wonder Woman.
    Yes, I know. But Azzarello manages to tell interesting Batman stories without making Alfred a serial killer, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginleif View Post
    the vikings were actually a well cultured civilization and provided the final injection of Germanic culture Western Europe needed to thrive. Indeed they were far more civilized than the barbarous Franks under Charles the 'Great'
    How in the name of god are vikings germanic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Hurt View Post
    Again, they're training for peace, they lecture us about peace, and all they so is watch paint dry on their island.
    Which is very peaceful, no? ;)

    eta: Killing for sperm is the only interesting thing the Amazons could possibly do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    Pretty weak justification in my book, mainly because there are other options.
    Such as?

    a) Who said WW has to be written dark? and b) I never said they had to inject some idyllic lightheartedness. It can and has succeeded without being a "horror" story. In short, I want to throw this whole thing off.
    Nobody said she had to be dark, but that's the story being told right now. What's wrong with characters being exposed to varying genres and settings? I'd gladly try a Superman noir story, or a Spider-Man sci-fi adventure.

    Yes, I know. But Azzarello manages to tell interesting Batman stories without making Alred a serial killer, right?
    But it could make for an interesting story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Hurt View Post
    How in the name of god are vikings germanic?
    its actual the other way around; Germans are actually Scandinavian. the earliest recorded inhabitants of Germany were actually celtic, and slowly they were encroached upon during later Roman times, replacing them completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    Such as?
    Not killing. Millions of people do it (or don't do it?) every day.

    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    Nobody said she had to be dark, but that's the story being told right now. What's wrong with characters being exposed to varying genres and settings? I'd gladly try a Superman noir story, or a Spider-Man sci-fi adventure.
    Didn't say other genres couldn't be used. Sci-Fi Spidey going to make Aunt May a slaver, trafficing in children? She really needs more dirt.

    Did you see my other question above? Would the Amazons not being sex pirates really ruin this story for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by majormcmeat View Post
    But it could make for an interesting story.
    Could. I'm all for Thomas Wayne as the real murderer of Martha. He's way too squeeky clean. And yet, people still find Superman and Batman interesting without digging up dirt in their parents' closets? How can that be?
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