Whedon & Cast on "The Avengers," Loki and Marvel Vs. DC

[CBR News]

"The Avengers" writer/director Joss Whedon and co-stars Tom Hiddleston, Jeremy Renner, Cobie Smulders and Clark Gregg discuss behind the scenes stories and on-screen developments from the upcoming Marvel film.


Full article here.

[Movieartman]

im sorry im calling bullshit THE WATCHMEN MOVIE WAS F##KING BADASS

[The_Ronin]

im sorry im calling bullshit THE WATCHMEN MOVIE WAS F##KING BADASS

It was a wonderful adaption, but something clearly went wrong in the marketing, or execution, Whedon's theory is it failed as a film by being too close of an adaption. Im not sure I really agree, but certainly something went wrong.


I do agree with you though it was an AWESOME BADDASS MOVIE.

[LightningBug]

im sorry im calling bullshit THE WATCHMEN MOVIE WAS F##KING BADASS

Watchmen was an adequate facsimile of the visual aspect of the comic, but as a film it lacked literally everything that made Watchmen special: the rich subtext. The best part of that movie (and I really loved this) was "The Times They are a'Changing" as the intro and back-story narrative device. That sequence came the closest to touching on the richness of the comic, and it did it by relying on techniques that couldn't be present in a comic. The rest of the movie (like most of Zach Snyder's work) was just a one-to-one surface reproduction and pretty much missed the point of adapting something. He should have strayed more from the source and actually made a film. Badass? fine, but who cares? Most movies are "badass" these days. Watchmen was supposed to elevate the superhero movie genre like it did for comic books. On that count it was an utter failure.

[tesh_karde]

It was a wonderful adaption, but something clearly went wrong in the marketing, or execution, Whedon's theory is it failed as a film by being too close of an adaption. Im not sure I really agree, but certainly something went wrong.


I do agree with you though it was an AWESOME BADDASS MOVIE.

I think Whedon is likely speaking to the idea that if you do a panel by panel translation, it may not appeal to the masses? I could be wrong, but I think that might be the point he is trying to make. The movie likely came off as badass to Joe Comicbook fan, but clearly didn't resonate in the way that 'Spider-Man', or even 'Kickass' did with the public.

[Simbob4000]

Watchmen was an adequate facsimile of the visual aspect of the comic, but as a film it lacked literally everything that made Watchmen special: the rich subtext. The best part of that movie (and I really loved this) was "The Times They are a'Changing" as the intro and back-story narrative device. That sequence came the closest to touching on the richness of the comic, and it did it by relying on techniques that couldn't be present in a comic. The rest of the movie (like most of Zach Snyder's work) was just a one-to-one surface reproduction and pretty much missed the point of adapting something. He should have strayed more from the source and actually made a film. Badass? fine, but who cares? Most movies are "badass" these days. Watchmen was supposed to elevate the superhero movie genre like it did for comic books. On that count it was an utter failure.

The problem was Watchman did stray from the source material, they dropped everything good about Watchmen and turned it into a shitty slow-mo action movie. I would say the opening wasn't very good, I remember watching that and thinking: are people who haven't read the comic even going to get what's going on here? I would say the best, and really only good part of the movie was the origin of Doctor Manhattan with the rearranged Philip Glass track from Koyaanisqatsi.

[LightningBug]

The problem was Watchman did stray from the source material, they dropped everything good about Watchmen and turned it into a shitty slow-mo action movie. I would say the opening wasn't very good, I remember watching that and thinking: are people who haven't read the comic even going to get what's going on here? I would say the best, and really only good part of the movie was the origin of Doctor Manhattan with the rearranged Philip Glass track from Koyaanisqatsi.

Well at least we agree it was bad.

[Simbob4000]

Well at least we agree it was bad.

Yeah, that movie was a mess.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I actually found the blame shift from the alien squid to Dr Manhattan rather clever.

[Simbob4000]

I actually found the blame shift from the alien squid to Dr Manhattan rather clever.

That didn't make sense if you think about it. Manhattan was an American superweapon that attacked Russia, and the whole world in that story is on the razors edge, that dumb plan should had the opposite effect of what it was meant to.

[LightningBug]

I actually found the blame shift from the alien squid to Dr Manhattan rather clever.

I'll concede that point. That was the only substantial plot change that I can think of that Snyder went for, and it actually makes more sense than faking an alien invasion. But that sort of proves my original point. Movie audiences would have seen the alien as coming out of nowhere, so Snyder deviated from the book. He should have done way more of that, but instead he just visually cut and pasted Gibbons' artwork and called it a movie.

[The_Dork_Nut]

"It's enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work, and DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from a bygone era where characters were bigger than we were," Whedon said. "They've amended that, but Marvel really cracked the code in terms of, 'Oh, they're just like us!' So a dose of that veracity that Marvel started with 'Iron Man', I think you need to use that as your base."

Load of Sh-t!

Most of Marvel's characters hail from the 60's, its 2012. I hate it when Marvel does these little digs at DC, its completely ludicrous.

[Treqqor]

Load of Sh-t!

Most of Marvel's characters hail from the 60's, its 2012. I hate it when Marvel does these little digs at DC, its completely ludicrous.

Then why can't DC do anything successful with their movies that isn't Batman and Superman?

Even Daredevil made more profit than Green Lantern...

[Strange Masked Badger]

Load of Sh-t!

Most of Marvel's characters hail from the 60's, its 2012. I hate it when Marvel does these little digs at DC, its completely ludicrous.

And DC's main characters pre-date the 60's. When Marvel was introducing characters in the 60's, they went out of their way to not make Superman. They wanted superheros with flaws that their readers could relate to, and during the 60's that was a pretty big deal.

[Surtur]

The "the heroes are just like us!" comment doesn't seem completely true to me. I really don't see Iron Man, Hulk, or Thor as being "just like us!". Maybe Captain America, and maybe Hawkeye, but that's about it.