AvX #2 *Spoilers*

[One More Day]

It's quite funny. When heroes are fighting villains they always plead understanding and to surrender peacefully. When they get in a situation with each other it's always ends up in violence. Violence solves everything according to Marvel "Might is Right"

[Genesis X]

How is the govement all encompassing? they pretty much live ther lives without interference?

All controlling I guess that the New Mutants and the folks at WAXM being free to come and go and everyone else having the same freedom

Holding prisoners in prison is suddenly the sigh of a totalitarian government?

the fact that your liberties could be easily strapped away

Actually, no, to every question. The government does not influence every facet of their lives, people can have relationships with who ever they want, equal rights for everyone, they don't have spy cams everywhere. So, not all encompassing. They can leave whenever they want, take whatever job they want as long as it's available, take whatever religion, sexuality, ideology they want. So, not all controlling. You are confusing government with society, which with such small societies is easy. But, nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. When it comes to Hope during AvX: She is potentially in danger, they were acting to protect her. She is a minor, so they have that ability as her guardians. It's the same way in the US, and it is not a totalitarian state.

hope is 18, she is not even her daughter, and lets no even get into the mess about hope parents

[Lascoden]

the fact that your liberties could be easily strapped away


hope is 18, she is not even her daughter, and lets no even get into the mess about hope parents

She's sixteen. And yes, they are her guardians. She's met her only living relative, and decided to remain at Utopia. Not really a mess.

Edit: Also, you didn't address anything else in my post. Can you refute anything?

[Mark_S]

Is she 16 or 18? What issue was that specified in?

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[Nightwing15]

Is she 16 or 18? What issue was that specified in?

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She was seventeen in Second coming. She magically turned fifteen in AVX#0 and sixteen in WATXM #9.

[Ebon Phantom]

Steve didn't give anything after like 2 minutes of conversation... again this sort of thing can take hours, if not days or weeks. There are times where eventually compromise is made even if neither side refused to budge in the first 2 minutes of discussion. Scott simply didn't give it a fair chance... he attacked Steve WAAAY to quickly.

And it's funny that their roles were sort of reversed in children's cruasade, and Scott attacked there too.

If Steve had attacked Scott in Childrens Cruasade or here in AvX would you honestly be defending Steve the way you're defending Scott? Because I'm darn sure if Steve attacked Scott 2 minutes into the conversation I'd be saying the exact same things about Steve for the exact same reason. There's no reason for EITHER person to attack the other at this point at least. It's completely unecessary both here and in Children's Cruasade.

And again, Scott states in the letter that he rejects humanity to judge mutants. He rejects humanity to even imprison them... which makes arresting them awefully difficult. If this is merely a case of him doing a poor job conveying his words, then perhaps he should consider having a more professional person write his decrees. If this is simply a bluff, then at least Cyclops is less stupid than the letter makes him appear. The end result makes him look weak and foolish, but he's not a monster.

You keep mentioning the time and ignoring the fact that Cap made it clear they had no choice in the matter. Again, Scott didn't attack until Cap made it clear he "wasn't asking". You can't argue there's room for compromise when the one side has no intention of compromising, just getting his way. And during CC, Scott didn't attack until once again, Cap made a demand. As we witness afterward, Scott could have been reasoned with to allow Wanda to be if one just tried.

I'm not solely defending Scott, though the reason for his actions were pretty much explained in X-sanction. I'm pointing out that Cap is at just as much fault as in that situation. Cap was being just as unreasonable and instigated the conflict.

No it doesn't. I keep mentioning, what Scott wants is pretty much what already goes on with superpowered criminals. The regular police and such don't deal with locking them away, they call in Shield and such to do the actual imprisonment. We know that the regular law enforcement merely deals with gathering evidence and making the case, not the actual capture and imprisonment. The only difference Scott is making is that instead of the police calling in Shield to take them, they instead call in the X-men. I think he conveyed his words just fine, seeing how when Joseph was running around killing people, it was the X-men who were called in to handle the situation and later capture him. The bluff part was what he was gonna do against anyone who attacked them, which isn't exactly a horrible thing.

that's another problem, in Utopia the justice system...scratch that, there is not justice system. Utopia is a totalitarian state I mean:
child soldiers
harbors at least 3 known terrorist
the governing mentality is that they are somehow the next step on human evolution (when evolution really doesn't have steps)
the justice system is controlled by the higher ups
who are mostly family and close associates
the political/military power is concentrated in one individual
they seem to antagonize everyone
don't care that their actions put the world at risk
and believe they have a messiah who everyone is after

They're far from a totalitarian state considering they are capable of freely coming and going, and even acting as they wished. A totalitarian state wouldn't have been ok with someone questioning the leadership and leaving with a portion of the group.

- They are not child soldiers. They are barely used in a fight and have complete free will in whether they want to fight or not the majority of time.
- Reformed terrorist now aiding the side of good.
- Um, that's been the belief of mutants long before Scott was in charge or Utopia was created, nor are they the sole believers in that.
- That's how all justice systems are controlled and most involved in a justice system would be close associates.
- Only because no one else has chosen to step up. Note that Scott was fully willing to have elections with Logan.
- They haven't antagonized anyone before now as a group, and they really aren't antagonizing over protecting one of their own.
- False. They're acting under completely different information and as of yet don't know the Phoenix is wiping out planets.
- They actually do have a messiah everyone has been after in three different situations.

[Mark_S]

She was seventeen in Second coming. She magically turned fifteen in AVX#0 and sixteen in WATXM #9.

Ah, the marvel writer's memories are so flexible. Well, at least they are spelling her name right in each issue.

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