05-01-2012, 08:38 PM
It's quite funny. When heroes are fighting villains they always plead understanding and to surrender peacefully. When they get in a situation with each other it's always ends up in violence. Violence solves everything according to Marvel "Might is Right"
05-01-2012, 08:52 PM
the fact that your liberties could be easily strapped away
Originally Posted by mikekerrIII
hope is 18, she is not even her daughter, and lets no even get into the mess about hope parents
Originally Posted by Lascoden
05-01-2012, 09:00 PM
She's sixteen. And yes, they are her guardians. She's met her only living relative, and decided to remain at Utopia. Not really a mess.
Originally Posted by Genesis X
Edit: Also, you didn't address anything else in my post. Can you refute anything?
05-02-2012, 06:37 AM
Is she 16 or 18? What issue was that specified in?
05-02-2012, 08:51 AM
She was seventeen in Second coming. She magically turned fifteen in AVX#0 and sixteen in WATXM #9.
Originally Posted by Mark_S
05-02-2012, 10:21 AM
You keep mentioning the time and ignoring the fact that Cap made it clear they had no choice in the matter. Again, Scott didn't attack until Cap made it clear he "wasn't asking". You can't argue there's room for compromise when the one side has no intention of compromising, just getting his way. And during CC, Scott didn't attack until once again, Cap made a demand. As we witness afterward, Scott could have been reasoned with to allow Wanda to be if one just tried.
Originally Posted by XPac
I'm not solely defending Scott, though the reason for his actions were pretty much explained in X-sanction. I'm pointing out that Cap is at just as much fault as in that situation. Cap was being just as unreasonable and instigated the conflict.
No it doesn't. I keep mentioning, what Scott wants is pretty much what already goes on with superpowered criminals. The regular police and such don't deal with locking them away, they call in Shield and such to do the actual imprisonment. We know that the regular law enforcement merely deals with gathering evidence and making the case, not the actual capture and imprisonment. The only difference Scott is making is that instead of the police calling in Shield to take them, they instead call in the X-men. I think he conveyed his words just fine, seeing how when Joseph was running around killing people, it was the X-men who were called in to handle the situation and later capture him. The bluff part was what he was gonna do against anyone who attacked them, which isn't exactly a horrible thing.
They're far from a totalitarian state considering they are capable of freely coming and going, and even acting as they wished. A totalitarian state wouldn't have been ok with someone questioning the leadership and leaving with a portion of the group.
Originally Posted by Genesis X
- They are not child soldiers. They are barely used in a fight and have complete free will in whether they want to fight or not the majority of time.
- Reformed terrorist now aiding the side of good.
- Um, that's been the belief of mutants long before Scott was in charge or Utopia was created, nor are they the sole believers in that.
- That's how all justice systems are controlled and most involved in a justice system would be close associates.
- Only because no one else has chosen to step up. Note that Scott was fully willing to have elections with Logan.
- They haven't antagonized anyone before now as a group, and they really aren't antagonizing over protecting one of their own.
- False. They're acting under completely different information and as of yet don't know the Phoenix is wiping out planets.
- They actually do have a messiah everyone has been after in three different situations.
05-02-2012, 11:44 AM
Ah, the marvel writer's memories are so flexible. Well, at least they are spelling her name right in each issue.
Originally Posted by Nightwing15