Wonder Woman #8 review

[RandomFalls]

Not meant to be there? She's waiting with Diana on the bridge, right where Poseiden and Hades show up. "Let's risk angry gods in a power struggle right here in London and right in front of the one+ person I'm suppose to be protecting" - is that really a briliant plan? They got lucky that Poseidon laughed it off (a god not really know for his sense of humor); what if he had decided to flood London instead? Do they seem at all prepared for such?

When Diana arrives with Zola the exchange with Lennox goes as:
Diana: Good. We're all here.
Lennox: One too many, No? What's she--
Diana: Couldn't be helped. Can I trust you -- when I'm gone?

So yeah, Zola wasn't meant to be there. Like I said before, I have no idea what Diana planned on doing with Zola to keep her out of the way, and we'll probably never know. And I never said it was a good plan, or if I did then I was wrong and I'll blame having just woken up, it was a piss poor plan. From now on Lennox shouldn't be allowed to do the planning.

And how do we know that Poseidon isn't a god known for having a sense of humour? These aren't the gods from myth, merely inspired by them. Poseidon laughs at the idea of Hera under two kings, makes a joke about Hera's frigid ass and then laughs at what Diana and Lennox did, which is all evidence that he does have a sense of humour.

lol - ah, the true reason: plot forced story. ;) My problem isn't Zola being abducted on Diana's watch. It's how it was handled. This plan of theirs seems far too short-sighted (and very plot convenient) for me.

I personally think it panned out pretty well, not the plan, the execution of Zola being kidnapped. Lennox's plan was crap, and Diana put her trust, arguably wrongly, in him and it didn't work for the best. Though there does seem to be a continuing theme here that even when Diana wins she loses. She blinds Hera, loses Zola; Saves Zola, gets herself in deep ****

And if, if - that would be the plot convenience - Zola had done what Diana had told her to do and stayed close then she might not have been kidnapped.

Ah, the all-seeing pool that conveniently saw Diana talking to Poseidon but not Diana planning with Lennox?

Maybe she did. Maybe that's why she sent the centaurs at that point, in an attempt to disrupt the plan. SHe stil sort of had to put in an appearance when Diana and Lennox spoke to Hades and Poseidon, to try and stop the idea from going ahead. And Hera has been shown so far to be ruled by her emotions; she was one angry god-lady.

And so what if Poseidon-Hades-Hera all get married? Hera's going to be even more pissed, no? It wouldn't stop her from hunting Zola. In fact, with the heavens in hand, I'd think that both Hades and Poseidon may just decide to eliminate any child of Zeus, to make sure said baby don't come looking for some revenge. I'd think that whole set-up is just a power bomb waiting to go off.

It's a plan that only works for the plot, but it isn't a very well-thoughtout plan (imo, and subject to change). It doesn't work on merit, it only works because the plot forces it to work.

I don't think either Diana or Lennox actually thought that Hera would marry both Poseidon and Hades. That really wasn't part of the plan at all. They just wanted to draw Hera out of her tower so that Diana could destroy the pool. And if you view it that way - the plan succeeded. Sure Hera is still going to be pissed, but she can't follow their every move. At least not until she makes herself a new pool.

I think Lennox and Diana are both pretty confident that Hera would not agree to marry Poseidon and Hades. And they were right. And I don’t think either Poseidon or Hades could force Hera to marry them, at least not without outside influence, e.g. Eros’ guns.

I agree the plan is crappy because there are too many variables, but isn't that acknowledged in the next issue? Eros points out what a crappy plan it was. I don't think the plan works just because the plot needs it too; it works because Diana and Lennox managed to pull it off. And it’s not as though it’s plain sailing: Poseidon refuses to listen to Diana at first; Hera sends the centaurs to attack Zola... Plenty of things went wrong right from the beginning of the plan.

[americanwonder]

Hi RandomFalls, nice post. :)

Lennox: One too many, No? What's she--
Diana: Couldn't be helped. Can I trust you -- when I'm gone?

I could be wrong, but I thought Diana was referring to taking Zola from the bridge done to where Lennox and Hermes were standing. And, I still can't help but wonder why she's on the bridge right in front of a godly confrontation in the middle of London.

And how do we know that Poseidon isn't a god known for having a sense of humour? These aren't the gods from myth, merely inspired by them. Poseidon laughs at the idea of Hera under two kings, makes a joke about Hera's frigid ass and then laughs at what Diana and Lennox did, which is all evidence that he does have a sense of humour.

Fair point. The Jolly Flounder. Although, he was rather crabby when he first showed up. Perhaps he hadn't had his coffee yet.

... Lennox's plan was crap, and Diana put her trust, arguably wrongly, in him and it didn't work for the best...

See, for me, it isn't just that Diana (for some reason) puts her trust in someone she doesn't know at all, it's that she trusts in the plan that's crap. Not her brightest moment. And you're right, Lennox shouldn't be allowed to come up with the plans anymore (lol).

And if, if - that would be the plot convenience - Zola had done what Diana had told her to do and stayed close then she might not have been kidnapped.

Blaming Zola? She's a mortal, way out of her league here. And everyone knows you can't take your eye off the kids when an angry god of the underworld is standing close by.

Maybe she did. Maybe that's why she sent the centaurs at that point, in an attempt to disrupt the plan. SHe stil sort of had to put in an appearance when Diana and Lennox spoke to Hades and Poseidon, to try and stop the idea from going ahead. And Hera has been shown so far to be ruled by her emotions; she was one angry god-lady.

I don't think either Diana or Lennox actually thought that Hera would marry both Poseidon and Hades. That really wasn't part of the plan at all. They just wanted to draw Hera out of her tower so that Diana could destroy the pool...

I get that the pool is the plan here. But, if the pool can see all, shouldn't Hera know what the target is, too? Perhaps leave a centaur or someone to guard it, maybe? A trap? At least put up some kind of resistance?

Taking it a step further, since the heavens and Hera are not Diana's to give away, why is Poseidon even listening to her? Ok, she's the negotiator, the deal breaker - I can buy that. But, no one seems concerned about Hera's input until Hera shows up - then, suddenly the deal's off? Why would Poseidon and Hades give up on the grand plan so quickly and just walk/swim away simply because Hera says, "no"?

eta: Since this thread is about #8, I got to say, the plan going to get Zola doesn't seem much better than the one that lost Zola.

[Ebon Phantom]

Perhaps because she wasn't watching the one person she was suppose to be watching. ;)

It may have been Lennox's plan, but that doesn't make Diana smart for going along for the ride, does it?

Yeah, she was watching the person who was endangering the person she was suppose to be watching. Hera was the only known threat to Zora at that time, and Diana was specifically dealing with her. Hades going after Zora, instead of say Diana herself, was unexpected. And I mentioned Lennox because it seem like he was given the task to watch over Zora while Diana dealt with Hera.

[americanwonder]

Yeah, she was watching the person who was endangering the person she was suppose to be watching.

Sounds good except Hera has used others (eg, the centaurs) to attack, so just watching Hera seems too limited. Also, Diana and the gang have just risked upsetting a couple of gods, so I'd think it wise to watch them, too.

... Hera was the only known threat to Zora at that time, and Diana was specifically dealing with her...

Hera was the threat, and I get wanting to destroy the pool. I don't get thinking it's a good idea to risk more angry gods, taking Zola to that confrontation, and risking it all in a crowded city like London.

... Hades going after Zora, instead of say Diana herself, was unexpected...

My point is that something like this should have been expected.

... And I mentioned Lennox because it seem like he was given the task to watch over Zora while Diana dealt with Hera.

And I still don't see why she's trusting Lennox. For all Diana knows, Hera could have sent him.

[Ebon Phantom]

Sounds good except Hera has used others (eg, the centaurs) to attack, so just watching Hera seems too limited. Also, Diana and the gang have just risked upsetting a couple of gods, so I'd think it wise to watch them, too.

Good thing she had two other teammates around to assist. And since the other two gods would be angry at her, that still logically would have kept Zora out of it.

Hera was the threat, and I get wanting to destroy the pool. I don't get thinking it's a good idea to risk more angry gods, taking Zola to that confrontation, and risking it all in a crowded city like London.

Clearly they were confident they could handle them. Either that and/or they were betting on the fact that neither god would risk starting a fight against the other two that would leave them all potential weaken.

My point is that something like this should have been expected.

Why? Diana was the one pissing them off and taking the focus. She was the "front man". Zora didn't have anything to do with the situation nor was she important to anyone but Hera.

And I still don't see why she's trusting Lennox. For all Diana knows, Hera could have sent him.

Obviously she had her reasons. And if Hera's own daughter can be trusted...

[coveredinbees]

Neat review for WW 8
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/main/r...wonder-woman-8
I thought you guys might like it.

[americanwonder]

Neat review for WW 8
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/main/r...wonder-woman-8
I thought you guys might like it.

lol, that review made me laugh. "Wonder Woman #8 is a perfect comic book." But, he doesn't give it a perfect score? Diana is flaky and takes a backseat? PERFECT!

Also, nitpick: Azzarello didn't 'overhear' DC's plans, DiDio told Azzarello their plans over dinner (according to Azarello anyway).

[americanwonder]

Hi Ebon, you seem to be enjoying WW, and I'm glad for that. So, please don't take my playful jabs at the story personally. To me, it's mostly just fun discussion.

Good thing she had two other teammates around to assist. And since the other two gods would be angry at her, that still logically would have kept Zora out of it.

Ah, the trustworthy companions watching her back. How well did that work out? Perhaps they were too busy watching her back to notice the person they were protecting wander off to Hades. ;)

Clearly they were confident they could handle them. Either that and/or they were betting on the fact that neither god would risk starting a fight against the other two that would leave them all potential weaken.

Here, like I said above, both Poseidon and Hades were in for the plan, right? Ready to make a deal and all that, no? They didn't actually think Hera would go along quietly, did they? So why do they back out so quickly when she shows up?

Why? Diana was the one pissing them off and taking the focus. She was the "front man". Zora didn't have anything to do with the situation nor was she important to anyone but Hera.

Hades disagrees with you. And since Zola is having a Zeus-baby, making her important to Hera, I'd think Hades and Poseidon (not to mention others, perhaps Apollo) might see Zola as a big bargaining chip.

Obviously she had her reasons. And if Hera's own daughter can be trusted...

Ah, more off-panel reasons we don't get to see.

And if Hera's own daughter can be trusted...

Who, Strife? Diana isn't following any of Strife's plans, is she? Was giving the love-guns to Hades Strife's idea?



eta:
I get the idea of breaking the mirror - sounds solid in theory. However, as a story, the mirror didn't feel like a real threat.

Diana goes home to see mom. Hera and her magic mirror? Nothing.
Diana goes clubbing. Hera and her magic mirror? Nothing.
Diana has breakfast out in the open. Hera and her magic mirror? Nothing.

There's a lot going on, yet Hera, even with her magic mirror, still doesn't seem to have a clue. Sure, you can argue that Strife finds them via the magic mirror, but does Strife, herself, ever threaten Zola? I don't recall. And with the mirror not having been shown to be a threat, it hardly feels like Diana neutralized a threat. Instead, it really just feels like Diana breaking something of Hera's out of spite, using "threat" as an excuse.

eta #2:
Bringing this back to #8 - perhaps Diana should have shot Hades, then asked for Zola's release as a present. ;)

[Ebon Phantom]

Hi Ebon, you seem to be enjoying WW, and I'm glad for that. So, please don't take my playful jabs at the story personally. To me, it's mostly just fun discussion.

No worry.

Ah, the trustworthy companions watching her back. How well did that work out? Perhaps they were too busy watching her back to notice the person they were protecting wander off to Hades. ;)

Which would go in the whole naively letting down her guard thing. But to be fair, it seem like everything had worked out and both gods were leaving peacefully. I would think she was more prepared for an outright confrontation.

Here, like I said above, both Poseidon and Hades were in for the plan, right? Ready to make a deal and all that, no? They didn't actually think Hera would go along quietly, did they? So why do they back out so quickly when she shows up?

Because if on had to fight Hera, who presumably was equal in power, then that would weaken them enough so the other would have the advantage.

Hades disagrees with you. And since Zola is having a Zeus-baby, making her important to Hera, I'd think Hades and Poseidon (not to mention others, perhaps Apollo) might see Zola as a big bargaining chip.

Hades only seem to have taken Zora to get Diana, so even in that situation she wasn't any more important then bait.

Ah, more off-panel reasons we don't get to see.

Well, yeah probably.

Who, Strife? Diana isn't following any of Strife's plans, is she? Was giving the love-guns to Hades Strife's idea?

No, but Diana seeming had no issue with leaving Zora with Strife while she went to listen to music. I would say that's would have been just as dangerous as having Lennox protect her if they were agents of Hera.

eta:
I get the idea of breaking the mirror - sounds solid in theory. However, as a story, the mirror didn't feel like a real threat.

Diana goes home to see mom. Hera and her magic mirror? Nothing.
Diana goes clubbing. Hera and her magic mirror? Nothing.
Diana has breakfast out in the open. Hera and her magic mirror? Nothing.

There's a lot going on, yet Hera, even with her magic mirror, still doesn't seem to have a clue. Sure, you can argue that Strife finds them via the magic mirror, but does Strife, herself, ever threaten Zola? I don't recall. And with the mirror not having been shown to be a threat, it hardly feels like Diana neutralized a threat. Instead, it really just feels like Diana breaking something of Hera's out of spite, using "threat" as an excuse.

eta #2:
Bringing this back to #8 - perhaps Diana should have shot Hades, then asked for Zola's release as a present. ;)

Maybe the mirror was how she controlled her centaur minions? Would be a nice throwback to Clash of the Titans, I think, in showing Hera taking over Zeus' role.

And back on topic, the guns probably won't work on a god. We'll probably get a better idea depending on how Diana reacts to it.