Are the Avengers now bigger than the X-Men in pop culture?

[Kusanagi]

Don't really see how this is a debate, the most popular property in pop culture is almost always going to be the one who made the most recent big splash. X-men haven't had a big movie since X-2 and while first class was a quality movie, it never really resonated with the general public. The Avengers just shattered box office records, and just about everyone is talking about it in some fashion. Until the people at FOX get their act together and get the X franchise moving again, or failing that Marvel pulls another amazing X cartoon out of their butt the the Avengers are going to dominate the Mainstream audience.

Now if you want to talk comic audiences that's a whole different thread.

[WaveHeater]

1978 - Superman
1980 - Superman 2
1983 - Superman 3
1984 - Supergirl
1987 - Superman 4
1989 - Punisher, Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1995 - Batman Forever
1997 - Steel, Batman and Robin
1998 - Blade
2000 - X-Men
2002 - Spider-Man, Blade 2
2003 - Daredevil, X-Men 2, Hulk
2004 - Catwoman, The Punisher, Spider-Man 2, Blade Trinity
2005 - Elektra, Fantastic Four, Batman Begins
2006 - X-Men 3, Superman Returns
2007 - Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four 2
2008 - Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, The Dark Knight, Punisher War Zone
2009 - Watchmen, Wolverine
2010 - Iron Man 2
2011 - Thor, Captain America, Green Lantern, X-men 1st Class
2012 - Avengers, Dark Knight Rises, Amazing Spider-Man, Ghost Rider 2

Fixed it for ya. And Spawn if you consider Image a real superhero company.

[Optic Rage]

This whole argument is ridiculous.

[Brandon McKinnis]

Just for everyone's info:


Accounting for 3d Upcharge and inflation the highest grossing X-Men Film, X-Men III, made a worldwide total of around $583,587,490.73.

I'm not very good at math though so I may have calculated wrong.

The formula I used was: [Total Gross X Infaltion Rate] x .52* x 1.25** + [Total Gross X Infaltion Rate] x .48***


*(52% of Avengers sales were 3D)
** (25% 3D Upcharge, at my theater)
*** (Regular ticket sales)


If I did that wrong please feel free to correct. I'm interested in how the Box-office totals compare factoring Inflation and 3D.

[Lord Bravery]

So it seems Avengers has made 700 million WW in 14 days. Wouldn't be surprised if it outgrosses the entire X franchise combined at this point.

[Lord Bravery]

Wolverine > Any avenger
JEAN Grey > Any Avenger Chick
Magneto/Juggernaut > ANy Avenger Villain

The Avengers as individuals have very poor rogues galleries. Loki is literally the only decent Villain between the Big 4. They have to borrow from Silver Surfer, Spidey, F4, and the Mutant baddies in order to get effective challengers.

The only reason Avengers seems to be winning is because of these 3 letters: R D J

Don't be fucking stupid. You telling me Avengers has made 700 million in 14 days because of RDJ?

And Avengers doesn't "borrow" villains. The big villains are Avengers villains because they are the big team of the Marvel Universe. Poor rogues gallery. Yea ok. Ultron, Kang, Thanos... need i go on?

How about as individuals?

Captain America: Red Skull, Baron Zemo, AIM, Hydra
Thor: Loki, Enchantress, The Destroyer, The Executioner, The Celestials, Mangog, Surtur
Hulk: A-Bomb, The Leader, General Ross
Iron Man probably has the weakest rogue gallery in terms of depth, but he has the Mandarin. And he's an interesting character with or without villains.

Stop being a silly little fanboy/fangirl and just accept this and move on. It's not really a big deal, but your strawman arguments are making you look silly.

[tigerkaya]

That logic is flawed. The Avenger's so called "big 3" were established heroes before becoming the homoerotic team they are now. So they had decades to establish themselves as heroes before Avengers. The X-men are the opposite. But when you look at them as a whole, the X-Men are a much solid team, more varied characters with the premise that many can identify with.

Someone is trying too hard to embarrass themselves.

[USERNAME TAKEN]

So it seems Avengers has made 700 million WW in 14 days. Wouldn't be surprised if it outgrosses the entire X franchise combined at this point.

At this point, I'm pretty sure more people will see the Avengers movie that any X-men movie or cartoon.

[Jake V]

So it seems Avengers has made 700 million WW in 14 days. Wouldn't be surprised if it outgrosses the entire X franchise combined at this point.

For any movie other than Avatar to close in on 1.9 billion is kind of a stretch. it could very well come close though.

[Lord Bravery]

For any movie other than Avatar to close in on 1.9 billion is kind of a stretch. it could very well come close though.

Yea, it needs really small drops to get there and to remain no1 at the box office throughout the whole of May. It's possible though. I think 1.5 billion is a more realistic number.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Marvel is Marvel, we should be celebrating. I can't quite believe X-Men fans are so fanatical they are begrudging the Avengers success. It's absurd to me.

I mean DC fans? I can understand, even though i find the Marvel vs DC thing is for children.

[Umbra]

Wow...X fans seem bitter. The Avengers are bigger. Suck it up.

[tommyman]

You don't get the point. So dense.

He's just having fun with you, because your franchise of choice is now second best.
In the future the x-men could regain their prominence, and the gap is pretty narrow, so it wouldn't take much to put them back on top.
Just a record breaking blockbuster smash movie the entire world loves.
Have you got one of those?

[Dr. Balls]

Wow...X fans seem bitter. The Avengers are bigger. Suck it up.

Hell, I'm not bitter - I'm kinda stoked for the future of the X-Men franchise. I'm hoping that it's really going to raise the bar in what audiences will expect for a "team" movie, and from writer through director, the other studios are going to have to ramp it up to compete and meet our expectations.

[AgentFelix]

gracias! whipped it out real quick, apologize for missed ones.

[Brandon McKinnis]

Yea, it needs really small drops to get there and to remain no1 at the box office throughout the whole of May. It's possible though. I think 1.5 billion is a more realistic number.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Marvel is Marvel, we should be celebrating. I can't quite believe X-Men fans are so fanatical they are begrudging the Avengers success. It's absurd to me.

I mean DC fans? I can understand, even though i find the Marvel vs DC thing is for children.

Agreed. I generally liked the X-Men films even though I'm not a fan of the comics at all. I see their success as a good thing for comics fans in general. I really don't understand why some X-Fans seem to want Avengers to fail.