After Johns, who should write Justice League? *NOT an Anti-Johns Thread, though*

**BrotherUnitNo_4** · 04-17-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by vampiric_cannibal

Tomasi, with art by Cameron Stewart. I'd drool. More than usual.

Hickman, with art by Cameron Stewart. I'd drool. More than usual.

**Johnny P. Sartre** · 04-17-2012, 07:03 PM

Jodorowsky with Juan Gimenez.

**weshes195** · 04-17-2012, 07:08 PM

Scott Snyder. Why you may ask? First, I am a huge fanboy of him! Second, on a serious note, I would love to see him stretch out his writing capabilities and see if he could writer a team book (and it not being a horror).

Maybe let him write one storyline and see if he did a good job on it?

**Dr. Cheesesteak** · 04-17-2012, 09:30 PM

In DC's bullpen - Scott Snyder or Josh Williamson or Brian Buccellato or Josh Fialkov

I can only dream - Jonathan Hickman or Brian Wood or Kieron Gillen or Mark Waid or Rick Remender

**Desaad** · 04-17-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by havok1977

I generally agree with this, but I think that some of Ellis' work can be rated up there with some of the other names that you mention; Stormwatch/The Authority and Planetary instantly come to mind as greatly executed superhero books with great scope, grand spectacle, deep characters and true (if somewhat unrestrained) heroism.

Heck, his recent run on Secret Avengers with six one-shot issues had pretty much everything I could want of a currently published big two superhero team book.

The Authority, I think, was not one of his better, or at least one of his more daring, pieces of work. It's wide screen popcorn action with tons of violence, a lot of wit, and some interesting sci fi concepts. By any standard I think it would be a great, straightforward superhero book -- but that is all that it was.

Planetary was very worthy, with again some really interesting strong sci fi, dense plotting, lots of great big concepts, and it was an interesting treatise on the various influences and forms of the pop culture comic book milieu. But the characters were quite...weak, again. Or at least ephemeral. Cool, interesting, but not really three dimensional.

Stormwatch hit some very strong emotional stuff, especially in "Change or Die" and a few of the one off issues, most notably the one focusing on Hawksmoor as a sort of superhuman detective/Batman type. I totally agree there.

Again, I think Black Summer hit some very strong emotional stuff.

**Johnny P. Sartre** · 04-17-2012, 10:23 PM

Black Summer, really? I thought that was one of his weakest books. I can see how the death of a president, deconstruction of a Super becoming judge and jury and it being very politically driven but I thought it rather dry and politically forceful (not in a good way). I'd personally take Supergods or No Heroes over Black Summer. I believe those books had more of an emotional umph to them than Black Summer.

I personally thought the characters were one of the strong point of Planetary especially that of the Pulp heroes and I agree with you about Authority.

**squashmaster** · 04-17-2012, 10:27 PM

Also, I love the Darwyn Cooke suggestion, and would add to that Bruce Timm. Those two together, collaborating on the art and writing. Or just either one.

Hell, Paul Dini/Bruce Timm combo would rule.

Paul Dini.

**Johnny P. Sartre** · 04-17-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by squashmaster

Also, I love the Darwyn Cooke suggestion, and would add to that Bruce Timm. Those two together, collaborating on the art and writing. Or just either one.

Hell, Paul Dini/Bruce Timm combo would rule.

Paul Dini.

Most definitely.

I was thinking that if Cooke got on this, we could see a stories and art like that of the New Frontier.

Also, Dini/Timm would be great, they work so goddamn well with each other and have done some many things within the DC universe.

**shingi70** · 04-17-2012, 10:35 PM

Justice League: Judd winick and khory rudolpoh

Justice league international: Bryan Q. Miller and Amanda Conner

Justice league dark: current creative team.

**Desaad** · 04-17-2012, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Otchofriend

Black Summer, really? I thought that was one of his weakest books. I can see how the death of a president, deconstruction of a Super becoming judge and jury and it being very politically driven but I thought it rather dry and politically forceful (not in a good way). I'd personally take Supergods or No Heroes over Black Summer. I believe those books had more of an emotional umph to them than Black Summer.

I personally thought the characters were one of the strong point of Planetary especially that of the Pulp heroes and I agree with you about Authority.

Wow, that absolutely blows my mind. You thought NO HERO and SUPERGODS had stronger characters than Black Summer, had more emotional oomph? Supergods was a god damn documentary, it was a book report, not a story. Now I enjoyed a lot of the superhuman concepts out of there, but that is all they were -- no character. That was the entire POINT of the book, that real super beings wouldn't be understandable, relatable, by any human standard.

No Hero was simply one of the worst, most empty headed books I've ever read. Pure shock value, zero substance. Warren has really phoned it in over the years on a few books, but that one was probably the worst I've ever read of his.

The Planetary characters were, for me, 'cool' but not in any way developed into real characters.

**Desaad** · 04-17-2012, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Otchofriend

Most definitely.

I was thinking that if Cooke got on this, we could see a stories and art like that of the New Frontier.

Also, Dini/Timm would be great, they work so goddamn well with each other and have done some many things within the DC universe.

It goes without saying that Cooke has written the best JL story of all time, so I'd love to see him on there, but I sort of doubt he is an option at this point.

**Johnny P. Sartre** · 04-17-2012, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Desaad

Wow, that absolutely blows my mind. You thought NO HERO and SUPERGODS had stronger characters than Black Summer, had more emotional oomph? Supergods was a god damn documentary, it was a book report, not a story. Now I enjoyed a lot of the superhuman concepts out of there, but that is all they were -- no character. That was the entire POINT of the book, that real super beings wouldn't be understandable, relatable, by any human standard.

No Hero was simply one of the worst, most empty headed books I've ever read. Pure shock value, zero substance. Warren has really phoned it in over the years on a few books, but that one was probably the worst I've ever read of his.

The Planetary characters were, for me, 'cool' but not in any way developed into real characters.

Black Summer was a fucking shock and no substance for me and No Heroes had an emotional omph (not deep or amazing but more of a pity for the characters) and Supergods was just a desolate and bleak book with no hope. Also, I never said the characters were deep and fantastic, just the story I was talking about. Also, supes not understanding or being relatable has been done before and A LOT better than Black Summer, a bore of a read.

**Brother Justin Crowe** · 04-17-2012, 11:15 PM

Ellis, Hickman, Remender, Lapham, Slott, BKV, et al.

**custodes** · 04-17-2012, 11:17 PM

Hickman
Gage
DNA
Peter David
Mark Waid
Kirkman
Gillen
Remender
Slott
Aaron
Ellis

**Desaad** · 04-17-2012, 11:21 PM

Well, different strokes I guess. Watching the characters, idealistic and fired up, in flashbacks was inspiring and compelling as hell for me. The final line, "I'm just sitting here, waiting to kill my best friend" was heart breaking and well earned. The 'villain's' break was believable and powerful.

And I'm not saying that Black Summer was about 'supes not being understandable or relatable', I'm saying Supergods was about that. Black Summer was about super beings as forces for political change.