Plans for Moon Knight?

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Well, we'd have to hope your series' take would remain viable long enough to avoid cancellation numbers so these things could be properly established.

It'd be established issue 1. Its very easy to establish stuff, it just takes time & writer effort to remember to add the stuff you've established.

MK has always mostly been an on an off-and-on series, so there hasn't always been room or improvement in that area. But, the supporting characters have had some growth to them. Frenchie has has been revealed to be openly gay and in love with Marc. Gena gained weight out of depression from losing a son. Midnight sought out MK in a great resolve and was killed in the process.

Nonsense. The first volume had 38 issues, the second had 61 issues, ressurection war had 4 issues (as it was a mini), the relaunched had 31 issues, the Vengeance of MK title had 10. Then there was that other mini in the middle of all that Daredevil nonsense: Thats more then 100 issues & not one of the characters has ever advanced beyond its original cliche. An thats not even mentioning the Bendis stuff, for obvious reasons... The obvious reason being that is was terrible.

Maybe it'll work and for new readers who haven't yet made out the similarities to Batman and the Boy Wonder.

It would work for the old readers too. Same character, new direction. Thats one of the main reason that MK never really takes off. He never has anything bigger then himself, heck his relaunch was essentially just him taking care of old personal business. Sure it worked for a while, but thats the thing about deconstructionist fiction: It only ever works for a while & then everyone that comes along afterwards tries to recapture the seminal feeling vibe of the work, without realising that its impossible.

I'm just not feeling the grand sweeping hero that your version becomes, especially when it's shaves off his eeire and mysterious origins.

I own that original series, there was nothing mysterious about his origin. He takes a blow to the head, his heart stops & then after a few seconds it start5s back up again. Nothing mysterious about that. Now had he been a month old corpse, buried in a mass grave & then was resurrected, that would be mysterious.

All of that original and legitamate origin story (which isn't broken btw, it just needs more consitent portrayals IMO) gets thrown out due to a piece of shrapnel and narratives that may or may not sell using this character.

Its not thrown away at all... An a character is not his origin. Sure an origin is important, but the characters is bigger then that. You can have the wrolds greatest origin & still have a piss poor book.

I have a sinking feeling that Moon Knight wouldn't be as lucky as those characters - especially considering that he's a part of the Marvel Universe and not the DC universe - new or old. These are important distinctions to make.

couldn't be worse then what Bendis did with the book.

I just can't imagine your version of Moon Knight and girl-friday keeping anyone interested long enough when he no longers shares the diversity of supernatural, horror, crime, and ambiguous elements. Your vision just seems to make him a somewhat one-note character relying soley on a the wares of a stellar writer.

Oh those elements can still be there, they just don't get top billing anymore... Not that they had top billing when the character was known for them.

Would a writer be able to sell your vision to audiences in this modern-day age of storytelling in ans acceptable time frame? It works for Batman and his various spin-offs surely, but can it work for yet another take on MK?

I think so. I'd stil be better then this last run.

There is an audience for this book. It's just a matter of retaining the readers more familiar with the character and creating new ones for an acceptably sustained length of time. Bendis's series, for example, clearly did not hold an acceptable amount of readers beacuse what audience it did have stayed based off of the creative power on that book. It is clear that many didn't find the the book entertaing or acceptable for one reason or another.

Yeah thats not an audience, its a potential audience. An the thing about a potential audience is that a lot of the time they want a completely fresh start, kind of like what happned with the Bru version of Captain American. The early stuff still happened, its just not being fixated on.

Some people care now that Moon Knight seems like a poor man's Batman and therefore won't touch him because of that. I think that you're being naiive here. Your version of MK just seems to be more like a Batman than he ever has been.

Because its not the "like Batman" aspect you need to focus on, its the not being a poor mans version of Batman. It needs to be as good or better in its own way to Batman & thats just not happening at the moment. Back in the day, Batman was considered by many to be a poor mans The Shadow. But it did things differently & excelled beyond its original conception, MK needs to do the same. Its the "Poor Mans" part of the equation that needs work: MK has always been a poor mans Batman, making him slightly more similiar to Batman by going whole hog on the "defender of [insert city name here]" is not going to change that, especially if you excel in an area that makes him, not a poor mans versions of the narrative legacy.

Apart from his parents being murdered and the Bat-theme, what makes your Moon Knight any different? I mean, he has the cars/gadgets and the sidekick and a fictional city he'd govern over buy stalking the night, why should Marvel readers want to read about this guy when DC already has the most enduring version of this theme?

The specifics. The "like-Batman but different" is the kicker that incites the interest, but its the specifics that people stick around for. Its kind of like going back to 1938 & saying "Batman, why would you purchase a comic about Batman, when you get The Shadow on the radio once a week, on a friday evening". Because people care about the specifics of a character. Which is why i hate the DC Reboot. Its the lose of the specifics, not the lose of the general concepts that piss me off.

Daredevil, Journey Into Mystery, and plenty of other Marvel books have "good enough" stories too, but it doesn't leave their readers shaking any less in their boots when the monthly sales charts are released.

Read both, cared for neither. The books narrative always seems to small to me. The characters seem to tiny & there impact on there surroundings even on a personal level seem to small.

But, your shrapnel version seems to severely undo how his future unfolds now. Which I guess is the point, but does the new path become a hit among a sizeable portion of exsisting readers?

Anything that is done now will severly change his future narrative: You can't undo it, because it doesn't exist yet. But its time that we do recieve a narrative change, since its long over due.

The supernatural element is what many of us like to be referenced here and there. You version doesn't jibe with with his past. Maybe the longtime readers would be forgiving of a lack of supernatural leanings among other omissions you suggest.

Even when that was a main element it wasn't really a main element. Even in the main relaunch it was mainly stage dressing, with little to do with the actual narrative. An it was mostly repainted as Mark Spector being insane in the 2 volumes after it. Heck it didn't even play that much of a role in the original series either.

Khonshu is the reason he thanks his lucky stars that he originally got a chance to right his past wrongs. So, if Konshu didn't even literllay exsist to Marc, Konshu would still likely be something he'd hold reference to, otherwise your version of Moon Knight becomes a sham. That being said, if the stories are good enough, new readers will not care enough and just like the stories. But, there still is the fact of havingt to retain the longtime readers as well.

Again Khonshu is just like the supernatural elements we already have: Mainly set dressing for an insane man. Making him not insane doesn't change that, it just moves the character forwards, without needing to constantly go back to Konshu all the time. Heck the original series & most of the other series have barely used Konshu at all. It was only the relaunch where Marc comes off as completely nuts, where Konshu was at all important & mainly as a fully realised dellusion.

Heck even if you did bring in Kpnshu to my hypothesised series, he would take a back seat to the actual plot, as the deconstructionist part of the characters history is over.