C2E2: Ultimate Crossover Event Announced

[wyokid]

You don't know who Katniss Everdeen is?

Nah, kidding! I didn't know who she was until last month.

She is the protagonist of Hunger Games.

I watched the movie and she did just what they want Cap to do of "being a symbol for the people." Her actions caused revolutions and she became a symbol of hope.

Oh. I have no interest in The Hunger Games.

Yeah that sort of what Cap is supposed to be.

[MrV]

Yeah that sort of what Cap is supposed to be.

Still sounds ridiculous Cap would be a symbol of hope. As it is these comics are too American centric, instead of having just one symbol for one nation there should be a universal symbol since the whole world is being affected by crap.

[wyokid]

Still sounds ridiculous Cap would be a symbol of hope. As it is these comics are too American centric, instead of having just one symbol for one nation there should be a universal symbol since the whole world is being affected by crap.

Like it or not it's what he is. Also America is going to have some shit going down soon so they'll need that moral boot.

[sage6paths]

Like it or not it's what he is. Also America is going to have some shit going down soon so they'll need that moral boot.

If there even is an America after the next couple of chapters of Ultimates.

[MrV]

Like it or not it's what he is. Also America is going to have some shit going down soon so they'll need that moral boot.

Well, if we will have a mini soon I hope it is not a Cap one but a Spider-Woman one. She needs character development the most. You as a self-proclaimed feminist should know females in UU are underpreciated and underdeveloped as characters and heroines.

[wyokid]

If there even is an America after the next couple of chapters of Ultimates.

Exactly lol.

Well, if we will have a mini soon I hope it is not a Cap one but a Spider-Woman one. She needs character development the most. You as a self-proclaimed feminist should know females in UU are underpreciated and underdeveloped as characters and heroines.

While it's true she could use more development, Captain America needs it more. He's been broken from the start and seeing how the whole Ultimate universe was made because of him, I'd say he's more important. That's not to say that Spider-Woman isn't important, just at the moment Captain America is more important.

[MrV]

I checked out BleedingCool and they had a part of the solicits crossed out: Ultimates/X-Men crossover with DWF.

That could be a hint. What does DWF mean?

[wyokid]

I'm thinking it means "The Day We Fell"

[5cents]

DWF - Down With Fury? lol

[MrV]

Exactly lol.



While it's true she could use more development, Captain America needs it more. He's been broken from the start and seeing how the whole Ultimate universe was made because of him, I'd say he's more important. That's not to say that Spider-Woman isn't important, just at the moment Captain America is more important.

Not him but Nick Fury. Remember the first official super soldier was Nick Fury not Cap. The whole Ultimate Universe was made because of Nick Fury.

In 1942 Roosevelt authorized the SS program, in 1943 Nick and Lucky Jim are abducted and turned into the first Super Soldier and Mutant Zero, respectively. Later that same year after Nick escaped captivity the data from his transformation was used to create Captain America.

Between 1944-1945 Lucky Jim would somehow escape Weapon X and join Steve in the war, but then somehow get recaptured by Weapon X only to be freed years later again by Magneto.

[Trevor M.]

This actually sounds pretty good.

[Wolverine12]

This sounds pretty awesome. I'm glad to hear some good news after being let down by the Spider-Men reveal.

[Plawsky]

Hickman had said when he came on that there was a lot of stuff that needed fixing, people assumed he meant Loeb's stuff which just isn't true. Millar messed a LOT of stuff up since the beginning of the Ultimate universe.

Continuity-wise, the only stuff he's "fixed" has been Loeb stuff. And really, it's only been Thor. Very little of Hickman's run has had anything to do with the previous writers' "mistakes." But Millar couldn't have messed up continuity since the beginning, as there was none.

Part of why I'm not a fan of Millar's run is due to anti-American subtext. Captain America represents America, similarly Superman is SUPPOSED to as well, but DC is deciding to mess that up too. Captain America and Superman both have another thing in common and that's that they are supposed to be able to make moral decisions that we can't. They are supposed to be the people we can relate to, they are supposed to be the people we wish we could be. Millar's run makes Cap, as MrV said, an "arrogant asshole", and while there is anti-French sentiment in America but Millar goes overboard and even then pats himself on the back for it later. As I said, Captain America represents America, he is a symbol, and Millar knows this and if I was a foreigner and I read this as my first exposure to anything American I would hate America.

America, led by the Captain himself, wins in a blaze of glory. I see nothing anti-American about this. There's even some pro-conservative implications, as the Ultimates took preemptive measures against a Middle Eastern country and they ended up being right.

[Drz]

Superman wasn't created to represent America, he was created to represent a man the gangsters couldn't shoot down, the man the corrupt politicians couldn't stop, he was the Man of Steel, the hero of the people. Captain America never had any anti-french sentiments, he simply said something he himself found stupid in the Ultimates volume 1. Captain America is a soldier, the man Millar had visit Afghanistan troops giving them thanks giving turkeys, be there for his his country and save the world a countless times.

If anything should be considered "Anti-American" and making a foreigner "hate America" shouldn't that be Hickman's Ultimates? President Obama. Agent Flumm. What they did, noone here approves.

[sage6paths]

Superman wasn't created to represent America, he was created to represent a man the gangsters couldn't shoot down, the man the corrupt politicians couldn't stop, he was the Man of Steel, the hero of the people. Captain America never had any anti-french sentiments, he simply said something he himself found stupid in the Ultimates volume 1. Captain America is a soldier, the man Millar had visit Afghanistan troops giving them thanks giving turkeys, be there for his his country and save the world a countless times.

If anything should be considered "Anti-American" and making a foreigner "hate America" shouldn't that be Hickman's Ultimates? President Obama. Agent Flumm. What they did, noone here approves.

There were implications that Cap hated the French. Both in Ultimates vs Avengers and in Ultimate Comics: Captain America. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing. He saw the French surrender to Germany as well as not going to Iraq its simple hate.