AvX #2 Preview: They're Trying Really Hard to Make Cyclops Look Crazy

[Daithi]

Like i said, if she meets the PF somewhere that doesn't put Earth at risk, what is there to lose? But keeping her on Earth blinding hoping (herp derp) that everything turns out all rosey? That's retarded..

If the Phoenix wants to destroy Earth it will destroy Earth. If it looking to bond with Hope, it's not likely to destroy Earth if she's on it.

[mikekerrIII]

How is it nonsense? And who is terrorising her? Last i saw it was Scott who was basically torturing the fucking girl. What Steve and co are doing is the safe option. I don't see how this can be denied.

Safe for who? Is it more safe for Hope? It is a bit silly to think that it makes the Earth safer

Like i said, if she meets the PF somewhere that doesn't put Earth at risk, what is there to lose? But keeping her on Earth blinding hoping (herp derp) that everything turns out all rosey? That's retarded.

Why would moving her make the Earth safer? If it wants Earth moving her will do nothing at all

And the government has been trying to kill the mutant race for years? Well Steve Rogers isn't the government, and he's told them to go fuck themselves plenty of times if he thinks what they are doing is wrong.

Steve Rogers is a government employee and he has members of his team that have proven that they will do whatever they are told by the government no matter how foul it is.

[Lord Bravery]

If the PF wants to destroy Earth it will destroy Earth sure.

But if it's millions of miles out in space when it bonds with Hope at least Earth will have a clear, definitive picture of what will happen with enough time to perhaps do something about it. Instead of waiting until it gets to Earth and bonding with Hope, then hoping that she can control it. It's all about giving yourself as many options as possible. Sitting on your ass, twiddling your thumbs and having blind faith that everything will end up smelling of roses is, like i said, retarded. And insane. Scott Summers at this point is quite clearly at best a fanatical fundamentalist. At worst? Completely off his rocker.

And who gives a shit if Steve Rogers is a government employee? He's not some brainless government stooge, he uses his own moral compass to determine what is wrong and right, not what some suits in Congress say. I mean, that's been a defining trait of Steve for... well, ever. He represents the America ideal, which is a universal ideal. He doesn't represent what a piece of paper says. This isn't Ultimate Captain America we're talking about here.

[mikekerrIII]

But if it's millions of miles out in space when it bonds with Hope at least Earth will have a clear, definitive picture of what will happen with enough time to perhaps do something about it. Instead of waiting until it gets to Earth and bonding with Hope, then hoping that she can control it. It's all about giving yourself as many options as possible. Sitting on your ass, twiddling your thumbs and having blind faith that everything will end up smelling of roses is, like i said, retarded. And insane. Scott Summers at this point is quite clearly at best a fanatical fundamentalist. At worst? Completely off his rocker.

What do you think Millions of miles would do. a million miles is far less than 6 seconds travel time for the PF, six seconfds olny oif it slows down to the speed of light and it is traveling far faster than that. What good would that do? Tens of millions of miles would no no more good than taking one step away from a atomic explosion

And who gives a shit if Steve Rogers is a government employee? He's not some brainless government stooge, he uses his own moral compass to determine what is wrong and right, not what some suits in Congress say. I mean, that's been a defining trait of Steve for... well, ever. He represents the America ideal, which is a universal ideal. He doesn't represent what a piece of paper says. This isn't Ultimate Captain America we're talking about here.

He willingly works and takes orders from the Scum that run the CSA and ONE and the same president that let Osborn drive the mutants to Utopia. For any mutant to trust someone working for his employer would require either idiocy or insanity

[xhx23x]

Ultimate Cap isn't working for anyone..

[Lord Bravery]

What do you think Millions of miles a million miles is far less than 6 seconds travel time for the Pf, six seconfds olny oif it slows down to the speed of light and it is traveling far faster than that. What good would that do? Tens of millions of miles would no no more good than taking one step away from a atomic explosion

Well why isn't it at Earth already? Hope should be where Thor and co are then. Billions of miles away, whereever the PF is, Hope should go there.

He willingly works and takes order from the Scum that run the CSA and ONE and the same president that let Osborn drive the mutants to Utopia.

He wouldn't take orders from them if he didn't truly believe in it himself. Like i said, he isn't a mindless government puppet. If he disagreed with them, he'd tell them to piss off, like how he has done on countless occasions before.

If not? Then that's just another example of terrible mischaracterisation that plagues Marvels mainstream events in recent years.

[Daithi]

Well why isn't it at Earth already? Hope should be where Thor and co are then. Billions of miles away, whereever the PF is, Hope should go there.

It's busy destroying planets along the way. Also its PIS. The Phoenix was always able to create stargates.

[Starfish]

Hopefully the upcoming issue of Uncanny will provide us with some info about what Scott's plan is going to look like, because his side needs a little more substance to it than simply insisting on "get off my lawn". Also, I'm intrigued to see what Unit is up to. He's one of the most enjoyable villains Marvel came up with in a long time. I like the creepy bastard.

[mikekerrIII]

Well why isn't it at Earth already? Hope should be where Thor and co are then. Billions of miles away, what ever the PF is, Hope should go there.

It is almost at earth now since it was right behind the Nova that warned the earth.

He wouldn't take orders from them if he didn't truly believe in it himself. Like i said, he isn't a mindless government puppet. If he disagreed with them, he'd tell them to piss off, like how he has done on countless occasions before.

If not? Then that's just another example of terrible mischaracterisation that plagues Marvels mainstream events in recent years.

But he has folks on his team that have little or no moral restraint in following immoral orders, and he is taking advice from at least two of them.

Honestly if you were Cyke's shoes would you turn over the best chance of your species survival to a team, working for a bigoted government, that includes Hill, Hand Stark and Carol no matter how trustworthy the leader is?

[Meehl]

How is it nonsense? And who is terrorising her? Last i saw it was Scott who was basically torturing the fucking girl. What Steve and co are doing is the safe option. I don't see how this can be denied.

Hand to hand combat training is not torture. Why do you say Steve is doing the safe option? All he has done is demanded that he take custody of a teenage girl, despite offering no plan and despite there being no verified danger. Why is that a "safer" option? There's nothing in AvX so far about how Steve intended to keep Hope or Earth safer than Cyclops could. He didn't make an argument to Cyclops about why his plan is superior. He has no plan. He just demanded custody of an innocent teenage girl.

Like i said, if she meets the PF somewhere that doesn't put Earth at risk, what is there to lose? But keeping her on Earth blinding hoping (herp derp) that everything turns out all rosey? That's retarded.

Who told you that meeting the PF in space would put the earth at less risk? Who told you the PF is headed for Hope and that if the PF finds Hope everything will go bad? Why are we kidnapping a teenage girl and assuming that this is better than leaving her there? Why do you think this way? Because Iron Man told the board of army generals that this was all true?

And the government has been trying to kill the mutant race for years? Well Steve Rogers isn't the government, and he's told them to go fuck themselves plenty of times if he thinks what they are doing is wrong.

The Avenger's are the government's shills.

[mikekerrIII]

Hopefully the upcoming issue of Uncanny will provide us with some info about what Scott's plan is going to look like, because his side needs a little more substance to it than simply insisting on "get off my lawn". Also, I'm intrigued to see what Unit is up to. He's one of the most enjoyable villains Marvel came up with in a long time. I like the creepy bastard.

You do realize that even in the movie the guy that said "get off my lawn" was right?

[Lord Bravery]

Hand to hand combat training is not torture. Why do you say Steve is doing the safe option? All he has done is demanded that he take custody of a teenage girl, despite offering no plan and despite there being no verified danger.

Hand to hand training is one thing, slapping her around and screaming at her "AGAIN!" you don't see anything wrong with that? You're as insane and as misguided as Scott. Scott at this point, isn't even treating Hope as a real person, but as an object. It doesn't surprise me she hates him. And like i said before, how much money do you wanna bet that Logan and Cap come to blows because Cap finds out Logan tried to kill her? Steve clearly cares more about Hope, as a person, than Scott does.

Why is that a "safer" option? There's nothing in AvX so far about how Steve intended to keep Hope or Earth safer than Cyclops could. He didn't make an argument to Cyclops about why his plan is superior. He has no plan. He just demanded custody of an innocent teenage girl.

Scott doesn't have a plan either, apart from being the very definition of a fanatical fundamentalist who has blind faith in Hope and the PF saving mutant kind. I can't comprehend how anyone can defend his actions here. He is literally a metaphor for blind religious zealot. You ever seen the film The Fog? Scott is like that crazy religious woman.

Who told you that meeting the PF in space would put the earth at less risk? Who told you the PF is headed for Hope and that if the PF finds Hope everything will go bad? Why are we kidnapping a teenage girl and assuming that this is better than leaving her there? Why do you think this way? Because Iron Man told the board of army generals that this was all true?

Who told me? Common sense. The PF is obviously linked to Hope. So get her to go meet it away from Earth so the margin for error is greater. So if everything does go pear shaped, at least Earth has an opportunity to do something, instead of being "Oh the PF is here already, can't do anything".

[Starfish]

You do realize that even in the movie the guy that said "get off my lawn" was right?

In stories where the fate of the world is at stake, I find it hard to sympathize with the guy who's only out for his own advantage, whether he's "right" or not.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

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