AvX #2 Preview: They're Trying Really Hard to Make Cyclops Look Crazy

[fod_xp]

There's something in my carry-on. It's either a winning lotto ticket that I want to share with everyone or it's a bomb set to go off. You don't know which, but you know I've got one of these in my carry-on.


If it's your decision, do you let me onto the plane?




Think about it.




I'm still in favor of the X-Men because these are comicbooks, but...


Think if it was a real lives or deaths situation...not just you, but a bunch of other people at stake as well.

Do I make it on the plane?

Honest answer: No, you don't. I play it safe and detain you, until the baggage is checked. Then let you go free if you are carrying the lotto ticket, and not the bomb. Either way, if there is even the slightest chance of a bomb in your bag, I'd make the decision to detain; however that is not the same as imprisonment. Once the hypothetical danger is debunked you are free to go. If you have the bomb, then detainment becomes imprisonment based on the laws in place.

[Dr. Sonic]

I'd say the situation is roughly similar to the U.S.'s attempts to prevent North Korea from establishing a nuclear arsenal. But they just released photos from the North Korean mission control room and those poor bastards are still working the giant Commodore 64 computers so I guess it's no so good an analogy...

[DexterSinister]

Then why is Cyke trying to toughen her up. The PF is capable of planetary extinction. It is a threat no matter how well trained Hope is. You are being incredibly naive and thinking of this only from the perspective of Cyke or what you have read. If you lived in the MU, there is no way in hell you just sit back and not worry about it on the basis that a 20 year old hot headed girl can handle it.

That scene where he is sparring with Hope is entirely different from how Scott normally treats her, if you've ever read Gen Hope (most people haven't) or even some earlier comics where they interacted he came across as incredibly laid back when it came to Hope letting her do pretty much whatever she wanted so that she would grow into her own woman. Hope was aggressive and driven so would normally be the one that would go too far in a sparring match, I believe they are going to give Hope the cliched personality of the young scared little girl everyone looks to for Hope and grumbles under the pressure even though she has been written as tough as nails until this point.

[remydat]

That scene where he is sparring with Hope is entirely different from how Scott normally treats her, if you've ever read Gen Hope (most people haven't) or even some earlier comics where they interacted he came across as incredibly laid back when it came to Hope letting her do pretty much whatever she wanted so that she would grow into her own woman. Hope was aggressive and driven so would normally be the one that would go too far in a sparring match, I believe they are going to give Hope the cliched personality of the young scared little girl everyone looks to for Hope and grumbles under the pressure even though she has been written as tough as nails until this point.

Yes I know it was different and I presume it was because even Scott realises that the PF is a threat no matter hope tough as nails or prepared Hope or he is.

[Phoenix Egg]

Honest answer: No, you don't. I play it safe and detain you, until the baggage is checked. Then let you go free if you are carrying the lotto ticket, and not the bomb. Either way, if there is even the slightest chance of a bomb in your bag, I'd make the decision to detain; however that is not the same as imprisonment. Once the hypothetical danger is debunked you are free to go. If you have the bomb, then detainment becomes imprisonment based on the laws in place.

What if someone confronts you about wanting to check my bag?

Maybe they feel it's not your place to check my bag. They'll check it. Just trust them. If the bomb goes off, they'll deal with it. They don't want to be ordinary...they want to be rich.


But it's YOUR job to protect everybody...even the people that don't care about possibly winning the lotto.




Can I pat myself on the back for this metaphor?

[remydat]

There's something in my carry-on. It's either a winning lotto ticket that I want to share with everyone or it's a bomb set to go off. You don't know which, but you know I've got one of these in my carry-on.


If it's your decision, do you let me onto the plane?



Think about it.




I'm still in favor of the X-Men because these are comicbooks, but...


Think if it was a real lives or deaths situation...not just you, but a bunch of other people at stake as well.

Do I make it on the plane?

Everyone knows the real answer to that question is of course fucking not but again people can pretend otherwise because no one's life really is in danger.

[remydat]

What if someone confronts you about wanting to check my bag?

Maybe they feel it's not your place to check my bag. They'll check it. Just trust them. If the bomb goes off, they'll deal with it. They don't want to be ordinary...they want to be rich.


But it's YOUR job to protect everybody...even the people that don't care about possibly winning the lotto.




Can I pat myself on the back for this metaphor?

You forgot to add that the person who confronts fod is your grandfather and thinks you are Jesus.

[fod_xp]

I'd say the situation is roughly similar to the U.S.'s attempts to prevent North Korea from establishing a nuclear arsenal. But they just released photos from the North Korean mission control room and those poor bastards are still working the giant Commodore 64 computers so I guess it's no so good an analogy...

I don't see what the huge problem with North Korea is, it's not in China's best interest to have N.Korea go batshit crazy with nukes on any country, period, not just the US. China isn't very popular with the other modern Asian Nations in the South Eastern Seas. Hell, Hong Kong residents don't like being under Chinese rule. Besides, in all my research I have never come across any scholarly source that proves or implies China was an ally with the Soviet Union, or runs their country even remotely similar. It was bad US international relations for US government to lump China in with the Soviet Union because China was "communist." The Chinese HATED the Soviets and viewed them as frauds and international bullies.

So to lump China in with the "Anti-US" lot is ignorant. If anything the US fucked up that relationship after WWII. General Douglas MacArthur being one of the main reasons for relations turning sour. He pretty much sabotaged all interglobal negotiations between China-Rebuilding Japan-US that President Truman had to fire his fanatical ass.

[Dr. Sonic]

^ Weird. I was just in Hong Kong and you're totally right about their not wanting to be under Chinese rule. There was a bunch of articles in the English-language newspaper about how they are trying to stop mainland Chinese from coming into Hong Kong to have their babies (so that the babies can have automatic Hong Kong citizenship).

[fod_xp]

Can I pat myself on the back for this metaphor?

Not this second part. This is where your metaphor/logic fails. Here's the breakdown.

What if someone confronts you about wanting to check my bag?

They are detained as well, standard Airline security procedure. Although in this case, other security are called in depending on how severe the person is being confrontational, and even is subject to charges.

Maybe they feel it's not your place to check my bag.

It is airport security's job to check your bag, not some random person. By law you have to let security check your baggage in order to get aboard the aircraft. If you don't want to be subject to baggage checks you're only options are to leave the terminal and find other transportation. You are woefully ignorant of Airport Security Procedures, especially post September 11, 2001.

They'll check it. Just trust them. If the bomb goes off, they'll deal with it. They don't want to be ordinary...they want to be rich.

Unless they are authorized Airport Security personel they have no official authority or standing to check your baggage. In fact, this behavior is way out of the norm and would be considered justified for security to detain both the person owning and refusing their baggage being searched and the other person offering to search the baggage. Without proper authority that other person is considered a thief or potential terrorist threat. Additionally, you could be considered a terrorist threat by refusing baggage checking.

[fod_xp]

^ Weird. I was just in Hong Kong and you're totally right about their not wanting to be under Chinese rule. There was a bunch of articles in the English-language newspaper about how they are trying to stop mainland Chinese from coming into Hong Kong to have their babies (so that the babies can have automatic Hong Kong citizenship).

Yeah, Hong Kong has far fewer government controls over its private sector and starting a business in Hong Kong and getting the permits is as easy as going up to a window and asking for the permits and license...because that is exactly the requirements to start any business in Hong Kong. I don't think you have to be a legal Hong Kong resident to apply and obtain the proper permits and license, just be a partial Hong Kong resident with proof that your business means you spend extended times in Hong Kong.

[mikekerrIII]

Would you gamble the entire fate of 7 billion humans on the notion that a 20 year old girl can handle a cosmic entity and the man who wants to deal with it is effectively her grandfather who views her as a messiah? And would you do so if this were real life and you did not have the benefit of reading about said people's lives and thus having a wealth of information on the people involved?

You might accept that a 20 year old has the fate of the planet ion her hands when, like in this case there are no alternatives that lower the risk to the planet, and many alternatives raise the risk.

From Cyke's perspective, I can completely see why he thinks he is the best person for the job. From the Avengers perspective I can completely see why they think he isn't. That is suppose to be part of the drama. You confuse the fact that so far both sides have been written stupidly (Avengers moreso than X-men) as some sort of proof that the Avengers concerns are not valid or logical. They are.

With the Info the Avengers apparently have their panic is understandable, the problem is they are going on really bad information and think that it is good. Why The writers don't have Capt. Britain or someone else call them on their silliness is the biggest puzzle in the event so far, followed by why Wolverine is lying to Cap.

[mikekerrIII]

There's something in my carry-on. It's either a winning lotto ticket that I want to share with everyone or it's a bomb set to go off. You don't know which, but you know I've got one of these in my carry-on.


If it's your decision, do you let me onto the plane?



Think about it.




I'm still in favor of the X-Men because these are comicbooks, but...


Think if it was a real lives or deaths situation...not just you, but a bunch of other people at stake as well.

Do I make it on the plane?

In this case it in the plane already and the only one that can probably fly the plane is the person you are planning to kick off the plane becasue the might have a bomb. Removing hope does not stop the PF, but it probably means that it can't be controlled

[Relique]

I'd say the situation is roughly similar to the U.S.'s attempts to prevent North Korea from establishing a nuclear arsenal. But they just released photos from the North Korean mission control room and those poor bastards are still working the giant Commodore 64 computers so I guess it's no so good an analogy...

Actually it is considering the fact that the US made it's first nuke using punch card machines to program it. Hell, the reason why there was an embargo on PS2's being sent to North Korea when it was released was because they were afraid that N.Korea would hack it and turn it and use it to program/control missiles.

At the end of the day, there is still paranoia governing how one country interacts with an other which may have lead to the avengers asking ti invade utopia in the first place.

[mikekerrIII]

I don't see what the huge problem with North Korea is, it's not in China's best interest to have N.Korea go batshit crazy with nukes on any country, period, not just the US. China isn't very popular with the other modern Asian Nations in the South Eastern Seas. Hell, Hong Kong residents don't like being under Chinese rule. Besides, in all my research I have never come across any scholarly source that proves or implies China was an ally with the Soviet Union, or runs their country even remotely similar. It was bad US international relations for US government to lump China in with the Soviet Union because China was "communist." The Chinese HATED the Soviets and viewed them as frauds and international bullies.

So to lump China in with the "Anti-US" lot is ignorant. If anything the US fucked up that relationship after WWII. General Douglas MacArthur being one of the main reasons for relations turning sour. He pretty much sabotaged all interglobal negotiations between China-Rebuilding Japan-US that President Truman had to fire his fanatical ass.

The relationship with turned sour when one of the most malignant mass murderers in human history took power, and went even farther south when he murdered 20-30 million people during the cultural revolution, throw in the Korean war and the torture of prisoners on a huge scale and you don't have a recipe for friendship.

MacArthur was fired becasue he didn't want to let all of Korea become a slave state and didn't want to spend American lives to prevent that from happening so he wanted to nuke the Chinese army to prevent that. Truman was willing to spend American lives and half of Korea to avoid escalating the war.