Preview: Avengers Vs. X-Men #2

[jackolover]

And how did Captain America get to Utopia? obviously something had to drop him off on top of that he made the point that he was not asking, he was demanding one of Utopia's citizens and his sons(Cable) child(basically) at that, which meens he probably brought back up which a master strategist like cyclops would know...what was cyclops suppose to do? go ok here you go Cap take my granddaughter from utopia because you demanded it....whats the point of there own nation if outsiders from another nation get to dictate when they can take there citizens?...Cap left him NO other option and handled this very poorly.

I do think Cap got his back up rather too early by buying into Wolverines claim that Cyclops was too close to Hope. Cap really had to give Scott some room to move. I'm not an expert negotiator, so I can't comment on how much brinkmanship is needed in negotiation, but Scott, very early, decided negotiation was worthless and the X-Men better man the walls. That's the way I saw Scotts behavior. However, some people could look at Caps assertiveness and said that was okay.

[jackolover]

It a mutant problem, an we know from bitter experience that you don't give a damn about mutants being persecuted or killed so we don't trust you. We have reasons not to trust you though.

I think, yeah. Trust is a big issue, and even though Cap's Avengers aren't the big, bad, government backed up by Sentinels, the Avengers haven't endeared themselves to the X-Men. I still think the X-Sanction has muddied Scots perception of the Avengers, because of the whole ash white future, thing.

[jackolover]

If Cap knew the Carrier was there Scott and Emma knew it was there.

Unless Cap lost a lot of IQ points he would know that they would know that.

Cyke did not use his weapon until Cap refused to take no for an answer. What to you think "I'm not asking" means in that situation. Cap had the chance to walk away in peace

I know Cap had the chance to walk away in peace, (and I'm not convinced Emma and Scot knew about the armada).

I think a secondary problem Rogers had was the time factor. It would be nice to go away and talk about Scotts response them have another meeting later, but I think the Phoenix is only a day or so away? In which case, Cap would be pressured to resolve this quickly. I'm not sure what the timeline is here.

[chariset]

I know Cap had the chance to walk away in peace, (and I'm not convinced Emma and Scot knew about the armada).

I think a secondary problem Rogers had was the time factor. It would be nice to go away and talk about Scotts response them have another meeting later, but I think the Phoenix is only a day or so away? In which case, Cap would be pressured to resolve this quickly. I'm not sure what the timeline is here.

Given that it was apparently right on Nova's heels... and the talks broke down on a Tuesday afternoon, Phoenix will probably meet the space force on Thursday and be on the planet itself by Friday. Then it all depends on how long a giant fiery bird takes to find a host.

I'm calling it now -- Emma Frost or Scarlet Witch will be Phoenix's first host, but she won't be able to control it and will eventually have to pass it to Hope.

[jackolover]

No Mike, I personally don't. You know why? Because they're a Marvel cash cow and they won't let that happen.

You need to lighten up about this stuff. I mean really, do you not realize how contrived this storyline is, and how many plot holes there are for BOTH teams? This is like Civil War: characters are acting in asinine ways to serve the plot, and little else. If you honestly believe Cap would kidnap anyone, then you need to read his adventures as closely as you apparently read the X-men (and I'd suggest you start at the beginning, with the Masterworks and work your way forward). Like Cyclops, he's a hero -- but his actions are being determined by the plot which makes no real sense given Marvel continuity and his prior interactions with the X-men. He saved the X-men during the Secret Empire story during the '70's -- but funny how that's being ignored. You know why? Because if the writers take his friendship with Scott as their starting point this won't be Avengers vs. X-men ... it'll be Avengers AND the X-men .. or Uncanny X-Vengers ... or the Mighty Avenge-men ... and they'll figure out a way to get the PF in check AND repeal the Mutant registration act AND have a softball game at the end. But who wants to read that?

They're both groups of heroes who are being pitted against one another so Marvel can make tons of $$$. The story's contrived, the characterizations are overly simplified, and the plot so fully of holes you can make tea with it. So please quit trying to make this into a "X-men = good guys ... Avengers = bad guys" thing. It's silly.

Well, I thought Fear Itself was contrived, but it had a good premise of the Lost God taking over the Earth.

But this AvX was a long time coming, because these two teams have been circling each other for a long time. You may say that the X-Men and Avengers are practically amalgamated, but the reality is they separate there both worlds and don't let the other get involved, until something like this Phoenix comes along. Now the separation explodes in their faces because they haven't amalgamated. There is mutant business, and there is Avengers business. Now Cap wants to get involved in mutant business, and they hadn't even had an truce about the matter. Certainly this is going to get violent, and not because it is contrived. Because this was always going to happen.

[Van Custo]

Wouldn't it be cool if the Pheonix possessed one of the Avengers on the space mission, and returned to Earth in that form. Someone like Thor. It does make sense that a God's body would be a better host anyway.

Of course there is 0 chance for this to happen, but it would be something totally unexpected.

[chariset]

I think someone unexpected will host Phoenix, even if only temporarily. Maybe it'll even be Scott.

[Exo]

let me get this straight, Captain America knows nothing about the phoenix, yet he decides it's best to go to Utopia and order cyclops to give Hope over to them instead of reaching out and asking for help since the X-Men have dealt with the phoenix multiple times, hell cyclops wife was the phoenix and so id his future daughter. On top of that he prepares the Avengers to go to war against Utopia, which is basically an independent nation of a dying race and people here are calling cyclops insane?? Really?

Oh Scott's a loon alright.

If I had mutant kids and any love for them, I wouldn't want them anywhere near this jerk.

[steve2275]

Educate. Learn. And Love.

Yes. Yes please. In reality, of all the "VS" that should be the quickest.

she teleports with strange somewhere "lets talk about my brothers control issues"

[Brandon McKinnis]

we'll see who else his "experts" are but the bottomline is you don't go into a independent nation and demand or say your not asking for one of there citizens...why not come to Utopia and ask cyclops if he would mind if the avengers scientific team could come to utopia and work with there scientist to see whats going on instead of trying to take control and remove hope? would captain America had given scarlet witch to the X-Men if they demanded her? oh wait he didn't in childrens crusade, same premise except scarlet witch basically killed a race and hope didn't do anything.

1. They didn't.
2. She's a US Citizen.
3. Your argument is invalid.

[lurchadamo]

1. They didn't.
2. She's a US Citizen.
3. Your argument is invalid.

He definitly did go into an independent nation(Utopia) and say he was not asking to TAKE hope, also cap knew emma would reads his thoughts and know he would not leave without her ...she is not on us soil and is a citizen of utopia....my opinion is valid as is everyone elses...i think you missed my point completely

[CMBMOOL]

Why do I get the feeling that in some way the whole self prophecy thing of the future that Cable saw was due to the X-men and more importantly Cyclops ideal way of what the Future will look like , and not the Avengers fault ?

[DeadXMan]

I think someone unexpected will host Phoenix, even if only temporarily. Maybe it'll even be Scott.

Is that unexpected enough?

[chariset]

Is that unexpected enough?

Ha! If that happens, there won't be any "vs" about it. There'll only be slaughter. Equal-opportunity slaughter.

[RohanRiderX]

Is that unexpected enough?

lol i could see bruce tameing the pheonix

pheonix"your souls is mine"

bruce... yea i dont think so"

lolollol

funny stuff though