Wonder Woman Sales Figure Discussion

[This]

Why must there be this anal sales discussion with Wonder Woman all the time?

D C has released a new Wonder Woman comic since 1941 (with a small hold up for Perez reboot or Bi-Monthly release)
Sales have certainly dropped to points that got other characters cancelled and placed on a long hold before
they got another shot at a title.

And yet.... there is this want to post what is already public knowledge, as if having an opinion will make the information any more
important beyond that which it is to the publisher of the book.

[slvn]

I think some have gotten lost from the original opinion in the beginning of NU52 with fresh sales details every month coming in. I think before all this 52 business solidified we all agreed that sales would go high (which they did) but that eventually levels would return to each character's status quo. I think the predictions were a year's time (12 issues).

No--I'm sure that just about everyone understood that there would be a decline from the peaks that the #1 issues hit, but not everyone agreed on where the bottom would be. A few posters thought it would be lower than the old status quo; remember, on DCMB, how owlwoman or someone would talk about t""the vengeance" that the old fans would wreak? Some thought, as you mention, that all the titles would decline to their original status quo; others of us thought it depended on a lot of things--including DC's ongoing marketing efforts, the popular appeal of the books themselves, and the mod of the fans--and that the old status quo wasn't a set point to which order levels had to inevitably return.

While I would love to remain optimistic about what's going to happen, I find it unlikely that Wonder Woman's sales would level off in the 40K+ bracket. Unfortunately I think she's going to teeter in the 30-32K monthly sales once its all said and done.

I guess I'd just say that "when all is said and done" is potentially a long time. If people were predicting that the title was going to reach that levels in 12 issues, then I think it is very likely to exceed those predictions; in fact, losing 21k over the next 5 issues does not seem all that likely to me.

By issue 24? Maybe, but I suspect that if the execs find that it's headed that way, and if crossovers or events can't bump it up or if it gets a bump from those events but can't sustain it, then I think there will have been a shift to a new creative team

It's too bad we don't get sales numbers from a digital standpoint, but I think all the publishers really do need to realize that sooner or later that medium will probably take

True, but haven't they already realized that? I though that that was why DC went same day digital when they launched the New 52.

Even I, a WW reader since 1973 have dropped the book and switched over to digital (starting with 7). One would have to know me to appreciate that statment.

Me too.

On another note, I will say that sometimes it just doesn't matter WHAT you do with a book (writers/artist) once people are turned off with a character they rarely ever come back unless they were diehard fans to begin with.

Sure--as what you are saying might imply, some people would have lost interest in the character no matter what was done with it (even without the relaunch). That's one reason why you have to keep trying to add new, diverse readers. And some people do come back. I've given up comics entirely several times for long stretches, but I come back.

I think that while it's important to look at monthly raw numbers and using them as a trending tool, I think it's probably MORE important at this point to see WHO those falling numbers represent in order to plan for a future.

That is the important information and we've been speculating about it, but it's hard to do more than speculate. I would guess that some fairly significant chunk of the Gail Simone readers have left, and a lot of the people who read The Dark line (people like Animal Man, Swamp Thing, etc.) have been added. The more popular dark books seem to be settling in around 40k; conservatively, I would hope that WW could, over the next couple of years, keep 25-30k of those readers along with 10-15k other readers who used to read old WW runs or are attracted from JL.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Why must there be this anal sales discussion with Wonder Woman all the time?

D C has released a new Wonder Woman comic since 1941 (with a small hold up for Perez reboot or Bi-Monthly release)
Sales have certainly dropped to points that got other characters cancelled and placed on a long hold before
they got another shot at a title.

And yet.... there is this want to post what is already public knowledge, as if having an opinion will make the information any more
important beyond that which it is to the publisher of the book.

Freudian slip there.^_^

[aegisbearer]

Please feel free to discuss the sales of the Wonder Woman book here, but let's leave the other thread for the data.

[Maximum Impact]

Uh oh! Muwah-ha-ha-ha!

[slvn]

Why must there be this anal sales discussion with Wonder Woman all the time?

I don't think there "must" be; I think people just find it mildly interesting, and that's reason enough for an online discussion, unless it's hurting someone.

People get curious about trends of success and failure, and people root for things they like and against things they don't like. I think that's all that's happening here. I know that I, for one, don't mean to make any pretensions about being able to "influence" DC by talking about sales; I'm just talking.

There are also possible consequences of success or failure, even though I agree with you that cancellation is unlikely. People who like or dislike this creative team care about how long they'll last, and they are probably more likely to last if they are selling well. Also, there has been talk about a second series or graphic novel, and those projects are probably more likely if the current book is doing well. Even projects in other media might be more likely if the current book is selling well. (And on the other hand, such projects are more likely to reflect the most recent version of the character if she is selling well, and I've heard people who don't like this version worry about that.

Now, is there any particular reason not to talk about sales? I'm sure there's something more productive we could do with our time, but you could say that about message board discussions in general.

[Zeeguy91]

Uh oh! Muwah-ha-ha-ha!

Are you laughing at yourself? Because its still selling like 20k more than it was before the reboot....

[Maximum Impact]

Are you laughing at yourself? Because its still selling like 20k more than it was before the reboot....

So what?

[slvn]

For April, Wonder Woman is again ranked 25. http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/...ticleID=121105 Eleven of the books that are ahead of her are related to the Avengers or X-Men. Her index is 38.63; that means it's down 1.65. Even if Batman held steady, that index would mean WW lost about 2100--down from over 2800 last time, so headed in the right direction, if not as fast as we might like. But if Batman's sales went up (because of Night of Owls), her orders may not have slipped very much at all.

[gbshabo]

For April, Wonder Woman is again ranked 25. http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/...ticleID=121105 Eleven of the books that are ahead of her are related to the Avengers or X-Men. Her index is 38.63; that means it's down 1.65. Even if Batman held steady, that index would mean WW lost about 2100--down from over 2800 last time, so headed in the right direction, if not as fast as we might like, but if Batman's sales went up (because of Night of Owls), her orders may not have slipped very much at all.

I don't think there is any doubt that Batman sold more this month than last month. Overall, it looks like this month, Wonder Woman is remaining at level.

[sberg1]

I don't think there is any doubt that Batman sold more this month than last month. Overall, it looks like this month, Wonder Woman is remaining at level.

Which is just GREAT news. I am so happy this run is being so well received by retailers and fans alike.

[americanwonder]

Maximum Impact - did you make the graph? Thanks, it's interesting to see it like that.

Good to see WW holding strong. I, too, think there's a good chance that Batman sales went up, so that would be more good news for WW.

I also found it interesting that Marvel only has one solo series (Amazing Spider-Man) that sold better in April.

[Legato]

Maximum Impact - did you make the graph? Thanks, it's interesting to see it like that.

Good to see WW holding strong. I, too, think there's a good chance that Batman sales went up, so that would be more good news for WW.

I also found it interesting that Marvel only has one solo series (Amazing Spider-Man) that sold better in April.

Despite how unfavorable the new origin is I say if it's helpin the sales of the Wonder Woman comic then I'm all for it. All she needs now is a interesting rogues gallery

[americanwonder]

Despite how unfavorable the new origin is I say if it's helpin the sales of the Wonder Woman comic then I'm all for it.

Wish I could say the same, Legato, but I'm greedy. ;) I like to see WW do well, but DC isn't sharing any of that money with me. So, ultimately, I prefer a story I enjoy more to one that sells more.

All she needs now is a interesting rogues gallery

Maybe Azzarello will get to do a Cheetah story or something.

[TheShadow]

Azzarello's take could surely be salvaged if proper steps were taken. They won't be though, because DC has intentionally alienated Wonder Woman's core readers and they wouldn't renege on that. Dan Didio is still in charge after all, and Azzarello's run is the culmination of his plans.

I disagree, Wonder Woman's core readers in America were not alienated in any sense. They are still there reading the book, something like 20 to 30 thousand readers or so and that's half the sales and they are gonna read anything with the label "Wonder Woman" in it even if Dan Didio decide to made her black, asian, alien or even a man. Meanwhile on the other half is where sales are dropping because people were curious and amused about but the trick to keep them reading and following the book is fading away just like all New 52's gimmicks.

And addressing Dan Didio on this matters : Can we call this company as Batman Comics instead of DC Comics ? Let's face it people, the only character they like is the Goddamn Batman. Stop wasting yours as well our time pretending you like to Edit, Write, Draw and Sales anything else DC, because clearly you don't.
You don't know how to sales female characters and another ethnicity characters even inside Batman-verse, come on, you hate women, african-american and foreigner people Dan. Sold what you don't like right now and keep Gotham City white washed and male-centric because you lack the competence to sale anything else.

As foretold Wonder Woman sales are dropping and they will not stop dropping because you turn the character into New Coke or in the worst case scenario Crystal Pepsi and people may like something new for awhile but in the end the taste will not last.