Postmania XVII: YES! YES! YES!

[Alex L]

Now all we need is a healthy tag division

They're kinda starting. Kofi/Truth, Hawkins/Recks, Usos, Hunico/Camacho if they want to go that way, woulda said ZigSwag but that seems to be over, and one more tag team that's gonna make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

I disagree.

Working hard doesn't necessarily mean you'll get pushed.

But not working hard vastly increases the odds that you won't.

You can kind of coast if you're able to get to a certain level... but you need to be good and over enough to get to that level in the first place.

In theory, one should work hard regardless. But when you know you aren't going to rise any higher than you're at now, no matter what you do - yeah, that's incredibly demoralizing. And that, more than anything else - even money - is what will cause one to put in minimum effort, IMO.

[Legato]

They're kinda starting. Kofi/Truth, Hawkins/Recks, Usos, Hunico/Camacho if they want to go that way, woulda said ZigSwag but that seems to be over, and one more tag team that's gonna make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

I like the video, sue me!!

[Alex]

They're kinda starting. Kofi/Truth, Hawkins/Recks, Usos, Hunico/Camacho if they want to go that way, woulda said ZigSwag but that seems to be over, and one more tag team that's gonna make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

You know what the problem is though? Well, first off, Camcho hasn't show an ability to work at all, so i don't think we will see him in a tag team right now, but the real problem. You mentioned HJawkins and Reks, they lost a match in their debut on Raw.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Lost to fucking Ryder and Santino on smackdown after weeks of winning, Primo and Epico, the former champs who still have a rematch, have dissapeared off tv.
They can't do anything to build the new teams for no good reason that i can see.

[Gryphon]

Like what?

They got tommy dreamer's music but of course coudlnt get sandman's

[Gryphon]

You know what the problem is though? Well, first off, Camcho hasn't show an ability to work at all, so i don't think we will see him in a tag team right now, but the real problem. You mentioned HJawkins and Reks, they lost a match in their debut on Raw.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Lost to fucking Ryder and Santino on smackdown after weeks of winning, Primo and Epico, the former champs who still have a rematch, have dissapeared off tv.
They can't do anything to build the new teams for no good reason that i can see.

Wasnt Commacho one half of the fcw tag champs at one point?

[Legato]

They got tommy dreamer's music but of course coudlnt get sandman's

Did they at least got RVD's Walk theme?

[Gryphon]

They're kinda starting. Kofi/Truth, Hawkins/Recks, Usos, Hunico/Camacho if they want to go that way, woulda said ZigSwag but that seems to be over, and one more tag team that's gonna make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

Dont forget Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel.

[Gryphon]

Did they at least got RVD's Walk theme?

I dotn have the dvd, Im just going by reviews on amazon. They said soem music was there and some censored, and there was a bit of minor content censorship but joey styles said there was a reason for it.

[Alex L]

You know what the problem is though? Well, first off, Camcho hasn't show an ability to work at all, so i don't think we will see him in a tag team right now, but the real problem. You mentioned HJawkins and Reks, they lost a match in their debut on Raw.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Lost to fucking Ryder and Santino on smackdown after weeks of winning, Primo and Epico, the former champs who still have a rematch, have dissapeared off tv.
They can't do anything to build the new teams for no good reason that i can see.

I definitely get what you're going for, and you make good points (especially with the disappearance of the Colons, who seemed to have something going on with Abraham Washington) but I don't think a loss = BERRIED for Prime Time Players and Gatecrashers. It's definitely not the most optimistic sign, but I don't think it's time just yet to call the nascent tag division re-deadened.

Dont forget Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel.

And them too, I suppose, though I haven't seen them on TV yet.

[Gryphon]

I definitely get what you're going for, and you make good points (especially with the disappearance of the Colons, who seemed to have something going on with Abraham Washington) but I don't think a loss = BERRIED for Prime Time Players and Gatecrashers. It's definitely not the most optimistic sign, but I don't think it's time just yet to call the nascent tag division re-deadened.



And them too, I suppose, though I haven't seen them on TV yet.

They had a match on nxt. It airs on tv in canada.

[Alex]

I definitely get what you're going for, and you make good points (especially with the disappearance of the Colons, who seemed to have something going on with Abraham Washington) but I don't think a loss = BERRIED for Prime Time Players and Gatecrashers. It's definitely not the most optimistic sign, but I don't think it's time just yet to call the nascent tag division re-deadened.

I'm not saying they are buried, but it's a pointless loss.
Like, if you want to build the division, then get yourself a heel tag team, and give them a bunch of wins, so when they challenge for the belt it makes sense, that's how you build the belt.
When guys are on a win streak and they lose to a joke team it doesn't help anything.

[Alex]

Just in case anyone missed it

Yoshi and Kidd's epic plastic leg on a pole match from NXT.
Two guys who are rarely on tv, squashed when they are, and by the end of that match, the entire friggen crowd is into it, that's good work.
For a leg on a pole match.

[XPac]

They got tommy dreamer's music but of course coudlnt get sandman's

Truthfully that's the only that I really cared about seeing (though obviously I understand why we didn't).

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I was working under the assumption that mexican's who live in Mexico would care more.

And the Cole thing is just the problem of having the lead announcer being a heel, can't really get around that.

ok then, so the mexicans in mexico care more...... there are still a lot of mexicans in the US who speak english.

couldn't they just have lawler say it??

ive seen a little bit of him, I like the cut of his gib so maybe we are going to see some old school personas

i keep forgetting to say how awesome the way sandow holds the mic like a glass of wine is .

This picture was taken recently.

Amazing.

punk dreaming he's johnny ace back in the 90's

They're kinda starting. Kofi/Truth, Hawkins/Recks, Usos, Hunico/Camacho if they want to go that way, woulda said ZigSwag but that seems to be over, and one more tag team that's gonna make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS



In theory, one should work hard regardless. But when you know you aren't going to rise any higher than you're at now, no matter what you do - yeah, that's incredibly demoralizing. And that, more than anything else - even money - is what will cause one to put in minimum effort, IMO.

it's even harder i'm sure when you have options.

[steve2275]

i keep forgetting to say how awesome the way sandow holds the mic like a glass of wine is .

this is true