Postmania XVII: YES! YES! YES!

[clayholio]

I love Google's translations! This is WWE's description of the upcoming house shows in Mexico...

A few days before the start of the WWE tour in Mexico, people in Hermosillo, Guadalajara and Aguascalientes are assured a high quality card so they can enjoy the best American Wrestling.

It was confirmed that the fans of the Sonoran capital will host the stars of Smackdown on Thursday 24 May at the Multipurpose Center on Friday, 25 reach the Plaza de Toros Monumental, both starting at 20:30. Finally close the Tour in Guadalajara in the VFG Arena on Saturday 26 at 20:00. Tickets are available in www.ticketmaster.com.mx or at the box office of each of the properties.

Of the various dishes to be prepared for all three venues, which hold out the match Mexico's Alberto del Rio to Daniel Bryan and his great rival in recent months, the white shark Sheamus. A tertiary spectacular will feature Mick Foley, one of the great characters of the WWE, as Special Referee of the night. The master of dirty socks had not been in Mexico since 2007 and is a great reception on his return to Mexican soil.

Another of the great duels of the night will always hold dear to Mexican masked Sin Cara (formerly known in Mexico as Mystic) who teamed with Tyson Kidd will to face the dumbbell Hunico (before Sin Cara Black) and Camacho. No doubt the fans will be with the iconic blue acrobat.

But besides the Mexican presence, each property will vibrate to the maximum with the fight between Randy Orton and Kane to the powerful without lowering the quality, The Great Khali will face The Big Show in a duel of enormous power to the Mexican public.

WWE titles will also be in play where Christian and Cody Rhodes enfrascarán in a battle for the Intercontinental Belt. It also will feature the beauty of the divas of the WWE through the beautiful Layla vs. Natalya. As additional fight, the stars of RAW, Santino Marella Jack Swagger, played the U.S. Championships, more duels and stars in the Mexican tour of the WWE.

[Legato]

Anyone think WWE made a mistake in unmasking Hunico? As Rudo Sin Cara he was at least involved in storylines and wrestled on PPV's but now he has resorted to jobber status

[KiFF86]

Anyone think WWE made a mistake in unmasking Hunico? As Rudo Sin Cara he was at least involved in storylines and wrestled on PPV's but now he has resorted to jobber status

What would your long term booking for non Sin Cara be then? You pretty much limit him in who he can work with; and they didn't know Sin Cara was going to get hurt.

[XPac]

He was this huge Australian guy that WWE brought up about ten years ago. But they actually pulled him out of a Wrestlemania (19) tag match with the Undertaker because he was so awful, and demoted him to a run in during the resulting handicap match. He actually quit in the middle of an Australian tour, and presumably only lasted that long because he wanted a free trip home.

Koslov ended up as a good comedy act, but they had him fighting Undertaker almost immediately when they first brought him up. If they'd eased him in instead of throwing him to the wolves, he might have stood a chance as a serious wrestler.

Yeah, I think these days things move so fast that you don't necessarily have the luxury to ease into anything.

The minute you even have a spark of momentum you need to get pushed hard and fast, because once that momentum is gone it's hard to for a rookie at least to get back.

Nexus for example... they had all the momentum in the world for a few weeks. But they were essentially a bunch of rookies literally thrown to the wolves. It's almost a no win situation, because the WWE is criticismed for dropping the ball by not pushing them harder (ie dominating WWE nWo style), while simotenously being criticized for throwing a bunch of rookies into the deep end of the pool when they frankly may not be ready for it.

For new guys it's tough to find that middle ground. For what it's worth, I don't mind the slow push plowing through jobbers. It seems the safer and lesser of two evils. Though clearly some are bored with it. What can ya do.

[Alex]

Anyone think WWE made a mistake in unmasking Hunico? As Rudo Sin Cara he was at least involved in storylines and wrestled on PPV's but now he has resorted to jobber status

No, if Sin Cara didn't get hurt, i could have seen him and Hunico having a really long feud, if Rey wasn't hurt he would have been involved, and Averno would have come up, and we would have had 4 mexicans doing their flippy stuff and having different matches.
Sin Cara and Rey being gone is why Hunico is midcard, and they didn't abandon him, they tried to put him with Ted Jr, but he got hurt too.

When Sin Cara comes back im pretty sure we will get a renewed feud.

[XPac]

Anyone think WWE made a mistake in unmasking Hunico? As Rudo Sin Cara he was at least involved in storylines and wrestled on PPV's but now he has resorted to jobber status

With Sin Cara injured I'm not sure it mattered either way. Mask or no mask, he'd probably be at jobber status.

Interestingly enough, Primo and Epico are both doing okay and he originally was paling around with them. But they eventually went off and did their own thing.

[Alex]

With Sin Cara injured I'm not sure it mattered either way. Mask or no mask, he'd probably be at jobber status.

Interestingly enough, Primo and Epico are both doing okay and he originally was paling around with them. But they eventually went off and did their own thing.

When you say doing ok, you mean losing all the time, dropping the belts after holding them with no feud?

[clayholio]

Anyone think WWE made a mistake in unmasking Hunico? As Rudo Sin Cara he was at least involved in storylines and wrestled on PPV's but now he has resorted to jobber status

I think the bigger mistake was giving him a stereotypical look. Luchadors don't wrestle in chinos and wife-beaters, they mostly have cool, colorful gear. Hunico going from Sin Cara's gear to what he wears now was a serious downgrade. They had an opportunity to create another distinct character, and instead came up with the lost member of Mexican America.

No, if Sin Cara didn't get hurt, i could have seen him and Hunico having a really long feud, if Rey wasn't hurt he would have been involved, and Averno would have come up, and we would have had 4 mexicans doing their flippy stuff and having different matches.
Sin Cara and Rey being gone is why Hunico is midcard, and they didn't abandon him, they tried to put him with Ted Jr, but he got hurt too.

When Sin Cara comes back im pretty sure we will get a renewed feud.

Hunico's had the bottom drop out of a lot of plans for him, I think. He was doing good work with Ted Jr., and I hope he sticks around. He's tailor-made for that cruiserweight show, and he's got some cool submission stuff that could help him stand out.

[XPac]

When you say doing ok, you mean losing all the time, dropping the belts after holding them with no feud?

Yeah, I think winning the tag belts having a couple sucessful title defense in some pretty descent matches counts as okay.

Better then where Epico's at IMO.

[darthjoker]

He was this huge Australian guy that WWE brought up about ten years ago. But they actually pulled him out of a Wrestlemania (19) tag match with the Undertaker because he was so awful, and demoted him to a run in during the resulting handicap match. He actually quit in the middle of an Australian tour, and presumably only lasted that long because he wanted a free trip home.

Koslov ended up as a good comedy act, but they had him fighting Undertaker almost immediately when they first brought him up. If they'd eased him in instead of throwing him to the wolves, he might have stood a chance as a serious wrestler.

ah I think I remember him now. It was supposed to be Big Show and Lord A-train vs Taker and partner.

and LOL, google is so bad at making good translations. A teacher can easily smell a google translation when done in a homework.lol

[Alex]

Hunico's had the bottom drop out of a lot of plans for him, I think. He was doing good work with Ted Jr., and I hope he sticks around. He's tailor-made for that cruiserweight show, and he's got some cool submission stuff that could help him stand out.

I don't think they dislike him.
There are little things, he gets to talk most of the times when he comes on, he is on smackdown every so often, so he isn't a jtg or whatever.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I don't care what their names are.
Dolph Ziggler kicks ass and his name is Dolph ziggler.

dolph ziggler is a great name, they should've gave him a partner named chess rawka

If there could be a match that involved Khali and his opponent playing pinball, one game apiece to a finish, I'd be thrilled.

i'm always up for a poonjobi dance off.

I'm assuming this is all still in character, but I'll be damned if Regal's words didn't cut to the bone.

does anybody remember when regal started berrying all the other pros on season 1 of NXT?? jericho was the only guy who talked some shit back to him, well christian said something too but not the same way(he made a kayfabe remark).

hahahah that's a referee trying to steal the spot LOL

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/...ica_Havok.html




-- WWE.com has shortened Lord Tensai's name as he is now simply being referred to as Tensai. This is not the only character tweak as last week during his match against Tyson Kidd on WWE Superstars, he appeared sans robe, shoved Sakamoto and competed more aggressively.

this is good news, the further away from being the great albert the better. i really don't think he's the type that should be using mist either.

Depends on your definition of star. I remember him being pretty over in WCW.

pretty over and pretty damn awesome. people sleep on disco but he was good and almost always got a reaction. his matches with juvi and then kidman from halloween havoc 98 were impressive double duty stuff.

WWE All Stars was actually pretty fun, I prefer that to the sims like WWE 12 or Smackdown vs Raw

i'd kill for an AKI made WWE again.

Way, way too early to say with Ryback. And I don't think the squashes were the point of Brodus' character, he's Rikishi reincarnated. And Tensai only did one or two, and has been in competitive matches since then.

You could say that you shouldn't have three characters simultaneously doing squash matches after a long time of WWE not using them at all, but that's about it. But at the same time, feel free to come up with a better way to introduce big guys, then. It's not like any of them can come out and do a shooting star press, so that means you (I mean the collective audience "you") will have to be a little more patient, and not expect instant gratification. Ryback is fun to watch, and he's only been there for a couple of months this time around. Brodus has stalled out, and Tensai's only been there for a few weeks, too. If Ryback and Tensai haven't progressed after six months, then call them busts. But give them half a chance to do their thing. There's no gold star for declaring someone dead in the water before anyone else.



They're still tweaking Tensai's approach, and I know he's capable of good work. He just needs to keep showing that, and he might crawl out from under that gimmick yet.

good luck with that. people don't want new guys squashing jobbers but will complain when the new hoss beats zack ryder or somebody else they like. or say a guy didn't do enough moves in a 3min match, shit like that.

Bingo!!! Ryback should be beating guys like Big Show or even get in a feud with Tensai. A feud that is about whose the toughest between the two in Ryback and Tensai. Hell Have Khali be Ryback's first monster he beats just to get a reputation. Remember how Sheamus's first push failed? They made Sheamus a big deal just because he took out a known jobber. Sheamus didn't get a legit rep till he started feuding with the likes of Morrison, who brought out a good match in Sheamus, and Orton. Henry, during his big push, was what cause Sheamus to earn his rep in becoming the WWE tough guy

2 new guys feuding just means somebody is going to lose their 1st feud.

He works as a legit powerful dude, watching him with the jobbers though im not convinced Ryback is ready.
Look at the way he has been tossing some of these no nnames around, WWE doesn't want him doing that to a cm punk or a randy orton, he doesn't look very safe.

unless he's a complete idiot(and he could be, i have no idea) he wouldn't even try that with a real star.

He was this huge Australian guy that WWE brought up about ten years ago. But they actually pulled him out of a Wrestlemania (19) tag match with the Undertaker because he was so awful, and demoted him to a run in during the resulting handicap match. He actually quit in the middle of an Australian tour, and presumably only lasted that long because he wanted a free trip home.

Koslov ended up as a good comedy act, but they had him fighting Undertaker almost immediately when they first brought him up. If they'd eased him in instead of throwing him to the wolves, he might have stood a chance as a serious wrestler.

HHH killed kozlov in 1 match. for a guy who's supposed to be a master storyteller in the ring and all that he failed there big time because he was afraid to look weak and gave kozlov nothing.

[Alex]

good luck with that. people don't want new guys squashing jobbers but will complain when the new hoss beats zack ryder or somebody else they like. or say a guy didn't do enough moves in a 3min match, shit like that.

unless he's a complete idiot(and he could be, i have no idea) he wouldn't even try that with a real star.


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The thing is, Rybacks beat, i think Curt Hawkins or something, and Yoshi, and thats the same thing as beating Zack Ryder, or JTG, or other guys we only see to do jobs. They are still jobbers, they are just jobbers people know...well, Ryder is at least.
Also, it seems odd to take a guy who isn't over, and a guy who is kinda over despite being buried for the last 6 months, and have him beat the over guy, when it won't make him more over. If they want to build him in modern day wrestling than he needs to beat names. But even that may not work, they had Tensai beat jobbers and then names, and he didn't get over, but im told that's because his gimmick sucked.
On your second point, all the guy has done is power moves, i don't even know if he can do anything else.
He's a big probably juiced up dude, they do power moves. And it's not like during his injury he was training at FCW, he was injured.

I still think the goofy redneck gimmick was more money than goldberg. And when you are on your seventh match and people are still chanting Goldberg at you, it's hard to get over. At least when they chant Albert at Tensai they are acknowleding that he used to be a different character, with Ryback they are just saying he's a clone of a dude who was big a decade ago.
And theres another problem, this guy is doing all these moves where he looks like he's beating the shit out of jobbers, we don't know if he can do anything else.
What are they building to with him? Is he suddenly going to be wrestling Randy Orton or Sheamus in a 20 minute ppv match? After doing nothing but doing all offense on jobbers? That's like a giant sign saying "Horrible idea!!!!".
They can put him in with Dolph Ziggler so Ziggler can kill himself taking stupid bumps to make him look better, i guess, but that still doesn't mean he can do much more.
But who knows, maybe he's actually capable of more, or maybe when they put him against a name he will beat them in a minute.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

The thing is, Rybacks beat, i think Curt Hawkins or something, and Yoshi, and thats the same thing as beating Zack Ryder, or JTG, or other guys we only see to do jobs. They are still jobbers, they are just jobbers people know...well, Ryder is at least.
Also, it seems odd to take a guy who isn't over, and a guy who is kinda over despite being buried for the last 6 months, and have him beat the over guy, when it won't make him more over. If they want to build him in modern day wrestling than he needs to beat names. But even that may not work, they had Tensai beat jobbers and then names, and he didn't get over, but im told that's because his gimmick sucked.
On your second point, all the guy has done is power moves, i don't even know if he can do anything else.
He's a big probably juiced up dude, they do power moves. And it's not like during his injury he was training at FCW, he was injured.

I still think the goofy redneck gimmick was more money than goldberg. And when you are on your seventh match and people are still chanting Goldberg at you, it's hard to get over. At least when they chant Albert at Tensai they are acknowleding that he used to be a different character, with Ryback they are just saying he's a clone of a dude who was big a decade ago.
And theres another problem, this guy is doing all these moves where he looks like he's beating the shit out of jobbers, we don't know if he can do anything else.
What are they building to with him? Is he suddenly going to be wrestling Randy Orton or Sheamus in a 20 minute ppv match? After doing nothing but doing all offense on jobbers? That's like a giant sign saying "Horrible idea!!!!".
They can put him in with Dolph Ziggler so Ziggler can kill himself taking stupid bumps to make him look better, i guess, but that still doesn't mean he can do much more.
But who knows, maybe he's actually capable of more, or maybe when they put him against a name he will beat them in a minute.

this is where the patience clay mentioned would come in handy.

[Alex]

this is where the patience clay mentioned would come in handy.

Thats what i was saying though, Brodus got less over when they had him do the same thing. Its not like if Ryback keeps killing jobbers for 3 months people are suddenly going to like him.