Postmania XVII: YES! YES! YES!

[darthjoker]

I don't believe he needs to be replaced he needs to be elevated he needs to go from manager to authority figure.

I am still waiting for the wwe to tell me that he was RAW's computer GM.

[Alex]

I bet that's what people said about Jim Ross before his health problems.

People didn't hate jim ross, we just hoped he wouldn't be gone.

[Siddon]

I'd say start with manager and depending on how improved he gets then have him be general manager.

I would go the other way, have him run as an authority figure for a year and then spend the next ten years managing off the heat he'll have. Michael Cole can really turn into a modern day Jimmy Hart figure, just an iconic guy who's there and not really good.

[Alex]

Before i forget, because this doesn't have any news, Melzter spoke some more on this Brock thing on a podcast that just got put up.
He said, first off, we don't know what happened. He feels that Heyman is the key to it though. Heyman works with Brock, he is also working with WWE right now, and Heyman is a smart guy, this very well could have been Heyman telling Brock to show up to build some talk, which it has done, and that's it.
He was pretty sure Brock's WWE contract doesn't allow for him to fight in UFC right now, because they can't risk him being hurt and ruining all their plans.
So Brocks meeting with Dana could have been as simple as Brock telling him he would like to come back, but he can't until his WWE time is down, which would piss Dana off, because it's the second time WWE tried to build an angle using his tv that he didn't know about (Dana was pissed when Taker showed up to that UFC show.) If WWE tomorow mentions this, especialy if Heyman is on tv mentioning it, then we will obviously know it's all apart of an angle, but Brock hasn't quit WWE or anything, so that bit or the story is a non starter.

[Lancerman]

If I was Vince I wouldn't piss Dana off. If he really wanted to he could put a UFC ppv on the saturday before every WWE ppv for the year AND put a super card up the night before Wrestlemania. UFC owns ppv nowadays they could make that a dead revenue stream for the WWE if they wanted to compete. WWE's at a weak point and they are vulnerable to something like that and it would send a huge message to all of UFC's competitors.

[Siddon]

Before i forget, because this doesn't have any news, Melzter spoke some more on this Brock thing on a podcast that just got put up.
He said, first off, we don't know what happened. He feels that Heyman is the key to it though. Heyman works with Brock, he is also working with WWE right now, and Heyman is a smart guy, this very well could have been Heyman telling Brock to show up to build some talk, which it has done, and that's it.
He was pretty sure Brock's WWE contract doesn't allow for him to fight in UFC right now, because they can't risk him being hurt and ruining all their plans.
So Brocks meeting with Dana could have been as simple as Brock telling him he would like to come back, but he can't until his WWE time is down, which would piss Dana off, because it's the second time WWE tried to build an angle using his tv that he didn't know about (Dana was pissed when Taker showed up to that UFC show.) If WWE tomorow mentions this, especialy if Heyman is on tv mentioning it, then we will obviously know it's all apart of an angle, but Brock hasn't quit WWE or anything, so that bit or the story is a non starter.

We don't really know if the UFC/WWE have come to terms with this, I tend to think that they will. Personally I think the UFC has no problem lending talent out to the WWE because they know it ups buyrates. If they didn't Rampage would have been gone after he lost to Rashad. For the WWE they have to change the way they do business they can't hide behind the fact that the three biggest guys this year one is an MMA guy (Lesnar) the other two are fake MMA guys (Bryan, and Punk). This is a new thing and the talent is there for them to pick and chose guys. It certainly doesn't hurt that Spike/Bellator just made a King Mo deal and for all we know dozens of other guys could be following.

[Lancerman]

I don't think Dana cares, your friggen crazy if you think WWE doesn't have a problem with UFC though.

Yup. WWE's ppvs buys have been going down for years. Simultaneously UFC's went up. Brock Lesnar became a huge UFC draw relatively fast. So there is definite fan crossover their. It's just WWE isn't benefitting from it at all.

[Alex]

If I was Vince I wouldn't piss Dana off. If he really wanted to he could put a UFC ppv on the saturday before every WWE ppv for the year AND put a super card up the night before Wrestlemania. UFC owns ppv nowadays they could make that a dead revenue stream for the WWE if they wanted to compete. WWE's at a weak point and they are vulnerable to something like that and it would send a huge message to all of UFC's competitors.

There is no supercard for UFC anymore, the biggest ppv this year for them will be silva/sonnen, they aren't overflowing with mainstream stars anymore.
With declining buyrates they aren't going to move in direct competition with WWE. Like, granted, we've seen in the past, Mania does a lower buyrate if close to a UFC event, but that was during UFC's absolute peak, they are in decline right now. As much of a nutball Dana likes to portray himself as, he isn't going to do anything that could hurt himself, whatever big fights he has, say GSP's return fight (GSP being the biggest star UFC has), he's going to put that when it has no competition, to do the max possible buys.
And as to UFC's competition...what competition? Boxing draws from a different audience from MMA and Wrestling,t hat's been proven over and over again, and the big boxing events will always do more buys than the big UFC or WWE shows. There is no other competition i can think of.

It's also pretty safe to say that of the 4 or 5 million who watch Raw every week, and the B shows (with no super special thing like Lesnar wrestling) doing 80k buys, those are the hardcore fans who are going to buy the ppv anyway, those are probably the people who don't watch UFC.

[Alex]

Oh, and just so no one calls me on it, and to cap off the UFC vs WWE talk, when i say UFC is lacking stars right now, i'm not blaming that on Dana or UFC as a company, it's not pro wrestling so he doesn't have that kind of control.
He can't keep guys from getting hurt, they can't have the stars fight in a ppv every month, he's told guys to call out other guys for fights but they don't usualy do it, a lot of them aren't good talkers in general because it's a real sport and they aren't hired or winning based on their mouths. So, not his fault, not joe silvas fault, just the way things are.
....
Though if he wrote promos for the guys and could convince people it was real i think it would probably help. As long as it didn't get out.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I warmed up to Mike Hogewood and whats his name on the HDNet run, but I don't get the ROH show now that it's switched channels. The commentary has never really been a strong point for ROH, even when it was Gabe Sapol... I mean Jimmy Bauer and CM Punk doing it.

I did miss the "Daaagerooooooooous!1!!!!" calls after a really crazy move, though.

If I was Cornette I'd look at upgrading the annoucing . Because he has the young talent and its amazing. Its just horrible play by play mixed in with Nigel (not really knowing what his annoucers role is yet) and its a train wreck. They should look at fixing that and keeping Kevin Kelly as a backstage interviewer.

[Alex L]

Doesn't matter, people don't watch based on good fights, if they did UFC on Fox wouldn't be doing a shitty rating, people buy shows based on stars.
And he would make more money doing 1 return fight than he would doing a year of WWE.

Having said that, i think this is a work.

He can go back and get the shit kicked out of him and lose in ten seconds and he'll still get half a million dollars for it and the UFC will still have drew a monster gate.

But Brock doesn't need the money, and he might be thinking about his rep. Right now he has a career where (and I don't follow MMA, so I could be completely off) even Dana White thinks he could have been a top 5 if not for a debilitating injury; that's a pretty good rep to have. If he comes back and blows chunks, the missing colon won't matter; people will remember him losing and he might be thought of as whatever the martial arts equivalent of past-his-prime Fat Elvis is.

This has nothing to do with anything, but i was reading some stuff, and i found a quote from Vince on why he doesn't give a best match bonus to people at ppvs.
Best match bonuses actually happened in wrestling, it was done for a while in various territories and even in wcw (it stopped when bischoff took over).
Vince said he doesn't do it because he's worried the wrestlers would get hurt. Which is actually a good plan, because if you put, for example, John Morrison or Evan Bourne in a match and tell them they can make more money if they have the best match, chances are they might kill themselves.

Additionally, WWE going in knows what they want the best match to be, and giving wrestlers free reign to outdo each other puts that in jeopardy. Would Taker/HBK have had the same impact if every other match on the card had 83469 finisher-reversals and kickouts?

here's a question, how often should the face of the company change?? i mean it's not an easy role to fill, so when they find a guy who fills it well and commit to him how long do they stick with the guy before moving on to the next??

That's a good question, and not one that I would think has an easy one-size-fits-all answer. But thinking of the ten year timeframe (Cena's not too far off from that) - that's longer than most TV shows are even on the air. Cena as a main eventer has already outlasted House, and I stopped watching House at like season five. He's also outlasted Lost and Grey's Anatomy. I suppose if I had to give a hard answer, I'd guess around 3-5 years as the absolute #1 guy, the wrestler can still a main eventer after that but the fans don't get too burned out.

[clayholio]

That's a good question, and not one that I would think has an easy one-size-fits-all answer. But thinking of the ten year timeframe (Cena's not too far off from that) - that's longer than most TV shows are even on the air. Cena as a main eventer has already outlasted House, and I stopped watching House at like season five. He's also outlasted Lost and Grey's Anatomy. I suppose if I had to give a hard answer, I'd guess around 3-5 years as the absolute #1 guy, the wrestler can still a main eventer after that but the fans don't get too burned out.

That's a good point. It's interesting that Cena finally, finally seems to have turned the corner with the fans. It's not that no one's booing him, but even those that don't like him seem to have settled into a begrudging respect after his last six months or so. Otherwise, I'd suggest that if they get to ride one guy for five years, they should consider themselves lucky, and then turn the guy heel to help make your new guy. But as long as Cena doesn't consistently revert to his "loser" style, I think they've finally got Cena where they'd like him to be.

But Cena could also probably use a break every now and then. Health-wise, that schedule's going to really catch up to him at some point.

[Lancerman]

The weird thing with Cena is that he was on top for years (since 05 really) but fueds with Rock and Brock probably helped rejuvinate him enough that he's got another 2-3 years as a top babyface if they want to stretch it. Then if they turn him heel he's effectively going to be the character to watch, almost like a nWo Hulk Hogan. So that could extend it even furher. They might get close to 15 years out of that guy when all is said and done.

[Alex]

The weird thing with Cena is that he was on top for years (since 05 really) but fueds with Rock and Brock probably helped rejuvinate him enough that he's got another 2-3 years as a top babyface if they want to stretch it. Then if they turn him heel he's effectively going to be the character to watch, almost like a nWo Hulk Hogan. So that could extend it even furher. They might get close to 15 years out of that guy when all is said and done.

Isn't the feud with brock over?
Hes wrestling HHH when he comes back.

[Alex]

Dynamic Dudes were in the new botchamania!
Not for botching, just to make fun of the fact that they were much less popular than the midnight express and cornette.