Does Rachel Grey really matter?

[celestialbodies]

Rachel's backstory is far too convoluted for her to ever truly be accepted as a mainstream, A-List X-man (by which I mean in any medium beyond the comics themselves). In that sense, she'll always be in the shadow of her mother. It's not easy to try and explain who Rachel is without mentioning Jean. Regardless, that doesn't mean she can't be appreciated by the core audience, or that she isn't her own character. In fact she's currently doing great things in Legacy and WatXM, not to mention single-handedly carrying Alpha and Omega. Tearing her away from the Phoenix mythos is disappointing for loyal fans, but Marvel wanting to simplify it is understandable. Some of the best characters "don't matter."

This is very true and in the long run will probably keep her around a lot longer, however I just wished at least some of the time writers would write these events logically to give them more substance. Sure to larger fandom she may not "matter" however to this particular story she should play a huge part, or be mentioned extensively because of her dealings with the PF, or as I stated earlier be taken off the table.

[Daithi]

This is very true and in the long run will probably keep her around a lot longer, however I just wished at least some of the times writers would write these events logically to give them more substances. Sure to larger fandom she may not matter however to this particular story she should play a huge part or be mentioned extensively because of her dealings with the PF or as I stated earlier be taken off the table.

Yeah it does seem like they would have preferred Rachel stay in space so not to deal with it. The fact that she will be in the WatXm stories is grand though. Lets face it, not being involved in the actual event is probably best for her.

[Moriarty]

Rachel's backstory is far too convoluted for her to ever truly be accepted as a mainstream, A-List X-man (by which I mean in any medium beyond the comics themselves). In that sense, she'll always be in the shadow of her mother. It's not easy to try and explain who Rachel is without mentioning Jean. Regardless, that doesn't mean she can't be appreciated by the core audience, or that she isn't her own character. In fact she's currently doing great things in Legacy and WatXM, not to mention single-handedly carrying Alpha and Omega. Tearing her away from the Phoenix mythos is disappointing for loyal fans, but Marvel wanting to simplify it is understandable. Some of the best characters "don't matter."

One could make the same argument against Cable with this line of thought.

[JDUP01]

Colossus as Juggernaut is a plot point, but it doesn't seem to carry much weight to it. That's why I added him. You could remove him from the comics and still hit all the same notes. The greatest Colossus story is when he came back from the dead. Since then and before that, notta.

Wrong. Being a "plot point" in major Marvel Comics event that out sold DC in the month of March (and will continue to do so) carries MUCH weight. No other brick in the X-men line up could pull this off. Colossus is the only X-men brick who has enough personal baggage to be the Juggernaut.

[MartinRedmond]

I liked Colossus before the late 80s when he was simply tall and strong.

[.A²]

This is very true and in the long run will probably keep her around a lot longer, however I just wished at least some of the times writers would write these events logically to give them more substances. Sure to larger fandom she may not matter however to this particular story she should play a huge part or be mentioned extensively because of her dealings with the PF or as I stated earlier be taken off the table.

If it were an X-centric event then that would indeed be the case, but Avengers vs X-Men is to a degree, an attempt to capitalise on the success of the upcoming Avengers film by interesting newcomers in the Marvel universe at large. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Two dimensions of canon are being intertwined here, some things, unfortunately have to be simplified. We'll get a nod to Rachel's history with the Phoenix, and that'll be enough.

[.A²]

One could make the same argument against Cable with this line of thought.

That's true, but Cable's carried his own title in the past and already has an established history with Hope. He's enough of an individual that he isn't just "Scott's son" in the same way that Rachel will always be "Jean's daughter."

[NickFury90]

That's true, but Cable's carried his own title in the past and already has an established history with Hope. He's enough of an individual that he isn't just "Scott's son" in the same way that Rachel will always be "Jean's daughter."

Plus, he looks cool

[JDUP01]

Colossus as Juggernaut is a plot point, but it doesn't seem to carry much weight to it. That's why I added him. You could remove him from the comics and still hit all the same notes. The greatest Colossus story is when he came back from the dead. Since then and before that, notta.

I liked Colossus before the late 80s when he was simply tall and strong.

What was the negative impact of creatine? More muscle?

[Perfection/Emma 2]

To me, that means Fraction is irrelevant.

And that's kind of the problem with most of the writers today.

Yes girl. If anything Fraction is the irrelevant one. Rachel is very important to the X Methos, but like many characters is shamefully overlooked.

[NickFury90]

Fraction is only relevant on two occasions



That's Day, and Night

[Bronze Badger]

If Rachel wasn't in space during the events of Blinded By The Light she would be dead.

[Shamalamadingdong]

Thanks for getting back on topic folks and not letting trolls derail this.

So from what I'm getting is that because Rachel was the Phoenix, whether her time as Phoenix meant anything or not, she should get a starring role in this Primetime series?

I disagree wholeheartly. In events like this you want to spotlight the best, the most relevant, Jean's time as Phoenix therefore is the only one that matters.

[Washout]

If Rachel wasn't in space during the events of Blinded By The Light she would be dead.

She tends to survive mass murderings of her people.

She's also a major cast member in two major X-books (well one major x-book and one that's been grandfathered in as major). She's a big deal right now.

[fortyseven]

Rachel is gonna be in AvX and have an important role in the AvX tie in to WatXM.
Also: Rachel is important to me. I used to not care much for her, but she's quickly become one of my favorites.