Most Insane X-Traitor - Zero or Bishop?

[The Black Guardian]

If he prevents it though the those 9 billion people never died. Bishop is free from that sin. It's like he's Catholic.

Nope. That's not the way things work. He will always have killed those 9 billion people and that timeline will always exist.

[Scarlet Silence]

But as has already been said, Kenji was more or less forced into joining the X-Men-a fairly violent organization-and wasn't allowed to leave. As an artist, Hope's mind control kept him from creating the art he wanted, a fate worse than death for an artist. He wasn't just trying to get attention, he was trying to save himself. Sure, Bishop was trying to save all of human and mutant kind, but he was killing BILLIONS of people, in the hopes that he "maybe" could save them all again by killing the little girl who "might" do something wrong. Heck, what happens if she doesn't even do anything? Or, if she does, it's because of how she was traumatized from running away from him her whole life?

You are using speculation to argue away speculation. I stated facts.

They weren't real people, they were hypothetical future people. Bishop is totes redeemable.

This is correct. In Marvel, future timelines are all hypothetical, and all those born within those hypothetical futures are not real. Hope is real, because she is born of the present, but Cable, Bishop, and their supporting cast of characters and casualties are all phantoms.

The only things that matter and are real are the present, those native to it, and the past.

[Aguja]

I never realized what a poser Kenji was. He wanted to uglyfy himself but really all he did was modify his arms and legs. He still gave himself chiseled pecs and rock hard abs. It's an odd aesthetic. He should have gone all out grotesque.

[darknessatnoon]

I never realized what a poser Kenji was. He wanted to uglyfy himself but really all he did was modify his arms and legs. He still gave himself chiseled pecs and rock hard abs. It's an odd aesthetic. He should have gone all out grotesque.

He turned his entire body into penises.

[Washout]

I never realized what a poser Kenji was. He wanted to uglyfy himself but really all he did was modify his arms and legs. He still gave himself chiseled pecs and rock hard abs. It's an odd aesthetic. He should have gone all out grotesque.

Kenji's weird. He's the worst because he's one of those people who tries too hard to be different for the sake of being different. I hate those people.

[Scarlet Silence]

Kenji's weird. He's the worst because he's one of those people who tries to hard to be different for the sake of being different. I hate those people.

It would seem he could not commit to his own ideas, as he kept the same torso as the rest of the men around him.

[Aguja]

He turned his entire body into penises.

He was too hentai to live. But he still violated less people than Rogue.

Kenji's weird. He's the worst because he's one of those people who tries to hard to be different for the sake of being different. I hate those people.

Ugh yes, hipsters.

[insanityx]

Out of the two, Bishop. Right or wrong in his reasoning, hes sacrificed millions of lives. Doesnt matter of killing hope set off the "reset button" on the timeline. Zero pretty much just wanted to kill one messiah and maybe control the world, but who wouldnt.

Notice a trend? Both batshit crazier betrayers are motivated by Hope? Maybe she really is that annoying.

If it was an open ended poll my vote would be for Cyclops. He booted Xavier away, pretty much spat on his dream, and is now turning the X-men into his own Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

[The Black Guardian]

I never realized what a poser Kenji was.

Of course he's a poseur. He's the focused totality of plagiarism.

[Dr. Sonic]

Of course he's a poseur. He's the focused totality of plagiarism.

Well put. Even Dr. Nemesis was able to figure this out... and he dresses like David Bowie from the 1980's.

[Chase_Stein]

The answer to this question could be easily deduced from their main motive in killing the glorified mutant messiah.

Some have claimed that Kenji's plan to kill Hope was a self-motivated one. It seemed to have ended that way, but if you look at the bigger picture, Kenji actually was saving the X-men from being controlled by Hope. This isn't exactly a baseless motive as he and the other lights have proven that Hope uses them to her advantage. Kenji saw this and acted on this PRESENT and ACTUAL dilemma, but all was for naught because Hope has successfully controlled everyone already, even Martha. Hope a gung ho wild card brat has also consistently worked on her own missions, not exactly in line with Utopia and mutantcy's mission-vision. This is a brat that is primarily motivated by her self-righteous assertions and rash behavior. Not once did she think about the ramifications of her actions and didn't care of she endangered the lights and the X-men. Like the predictable fools that you all are, the X-men, brainwashed, couldn't see this. They still believe that the Jeansus 2.0 will save them rather than kill them (see AVX and other Hope appearances).

Verdict: Kenji was RIGHT albeit a bit insane/ liberal with his actions


Bishop, OTOH, was acting on what he BELIEVES Hope did to his reality, a reality that won't necessarily be the same as 616's (LOL Earth-1911). The man was delusional and saw Hope as a threat to his reality, not 616. He hunted her not because she was a threat to 616 presently, but because she could possibly be a threat to "HIS PRESENT." Unlike Kenji, Bishop has no proof apart from his ALTERNATE REALITY, but who cares anyway, IMMA GONNA HUNT BB HOPE. LOL.

Verdict: Insane/ Delusional, living in his alternate universe

Conclusion: Again, with this blind argument, everyone is vilified, but Hope, the princess messiah that killed 616.

[Dr. Sonic]

The answer to this question could be easily deduced from their main motive in killing the glorified mutant messiah...

Kenji certainly has a reasonable gripe against Hope, although his way of dealing with it fell pretty far off the edge of madness. In his heart, I don't think Kenji was an especially good guy, valuing his art more than human (or mutant) life, and he proved to be just as manipulative as Hope in the end. His being a carbon copy of Tetsuo from Akira notwithstanding, Xero has the potential to be a pretty cool character and I definitely see him coming back as a villain at some point in the not too distant future.

[mikekerrIII]

They weren't real people, they were hypothetical future people. Bishop is totes redeemable.

Then what Bishop is trying to stop is just a hypothetical and not worth harming anyone over.

[mikekerrIII]

Bishop is way more fun as a villain than he ever was as a hero. He should stay this way.

He has be a villian since the CW, I agree he makes a juicily vile villain

[darknessatnoon]

Then what Bishop is trying to stop is just a hypothetical and not worth harming anyone over.

You don't need to keep harping on this. Stopu got the point across just fine.