School House Rumbles 3: The Reborn Age of Fighters RPG Sign-Up and Discussion Thread.

[Sharpandpointies]

Guys, Siriel has already nailed down the point. Nik, you might not be aware of it, it happened when you were gone.

This is not a place to be bringing up other RPGs. End of story. Until SHR 3 actually opens, this OOC is solely for discussion of matters directly pertaining to SHR 3.

That's it, that's all.

Move along, please.

[Nik Hasta]

Ah, I see. I hadn't gone back and read the... 80 odd pages that had cropped up over my absence.

Surely this is pertaining to SHR3 though? One of the several reasons I'm hesitant about joining the game is Cappy's conduct in Cleric's last RPG so I thought I'd open that discussion to try and prevent things from going South this time around.

But, as you say; consider the matter dropped.

[FalconX2000]

Guys, Siriel has already nailed down the point. Nik, you might not be aware of it, it happened when you were gone.

This is not a place to be bringing up other RPGs. End of story. Until SHR 3 actually opens, this OOC is solely for discussion of matters directly pertaining to SHR 3.

That's it, that's all.

Move along, please.

Isn't the current discussion about SHR3?

[Sharpandpointies]

Ah, I see. I hadn't gone back and read the... 80 odd pages that had cropped up over my absence.

Surely this is pertaining to SHR3 though? One of the several reasons I'm hesitant about joining the game is Cappy's conduct in Cleric's last RPG so I thought I'd open that discussion to try and prevent things from going South this time around.

While I understand the desire to discuss things perceived as problems in past RPGs, until the game actually opens the thread is solely for discussing stuff directly connected with this game.

At that point, it's up to Cleric (as GM) if he wants to open the floor to discussions of past games, perceived issues with past games, and Can We Avoid That?™ talks.

But, as you say; consider the matter dropped.

Cool.

Move along everyone. Nothing more to see.

[Sharpandpointies]

Isn't the current discussion about SHR3?

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[WyldCard4]

[QUOTE=Ghost;15056631]What's wrong with talking about it in Downtown? Talking about random off topic stuff is what Downtown is for.

(See also: Sharp and Siriel filling entire Downtown threads with Anima posts.)/QUOTE]

Funny enough, Downtown is technically the only place it can currently be legally talked about.

As a note, I PM'd CE on this, and can resend it to anyone else who wishes for it. Besides that, it's a debate I don't want to have here.

Back on subject, unless Cleric changes it again, speed isn't tied to durability- at least as far as needing it to avoid dying horribly when moving at Mach whatever.

Yeah, I do not think it should be. Personally I even have a few issues with stamina being as important as it is, too. I would rather have it be that you can use your abilities normally without it and stamina makes you absolutely awesome at it. I would say every stat point should make the game broader, not be required for a character concept. A caster with a ton of stamina should be an epic caster who could stand and howl curses to bring down armies, fighting in a ruined city for weeks. A normal caster shouldn't find themselves gasping for breath after five spells has depleted their puny reserves.

Also, I know there's two explicit flying abilities present, but I wondering how many people had abilities that could be used for that purpose.

I am seriously considering changing Sam's flight, by the way. I think there's something cool to it, but I think it is thematically troublesome, especially as it is mostly a place holder.

Of course this applies in reverse. That is, just as having 100 in a stat should give you a great advantage, having 0 should be a crippling weakness.

Yeah, that's not something I like the sound of, so let's see if this is rational.

Let's look this over.

1. A 0 in strength? Without a similar power stat, you're going to have to deal with the environment more. You have to deal with natural obstacles in a much more serious way than someone with higher strength. You have trouble hurting someone with durability, once again assuming no similar power stat. Overall not that crippling, just annoying.

2. A 0 in speed? You are as fast as a normal human. What does this mean? For a physical fighter, the real issue is that it is hard to touch an enemy. You lack range and you have trouble closing that range. It is a much smaller issue for a caster, who can fire with their own will, closing range naturally. This is an imbalance I never considered before, to be honest.

3. A 0 in durability? You get blitzed and beaten quite easily. You are always in some kind of danger, as always assuming no obvious power stat counter. This is a dangerous weakness, but one that a wise character could overcome using speed, power, or possibly very high end stamina.

4. A 0 in stamina? I already mentioned above that my impression of the stamina system is not good. It feels like it makes us less awesome, rather than more awesome. As it is, with a zero in stamina, you cannot keep fighting for more than a minute or two at most, you cannot maintain any single technique or press any advantage. This is a fair weakness.

You know, this was a quite interesting experiment, thank you for making me look at it. This might be helpful in character design.

Power is indeed a very important stat for it's sheer versatility, but you can build equally powerful characters with minimal investment in power/energy stats and put those points into physical stats instead.


The rock paper scissors thing is a separate issue from what we're discussing. Sure, stat distribution would affect how characters matched up to each other, but in a team, no particular character should ideally be more valuable than another.

For the sake of clarity, I'll note that there have been characters (in the past) specializing in specific stats that actually ended up being more powerful in straight up combat than the characters without any maxed stats. Yet the characters without the maxed stats were the ones that carried the most versatility and ended up being just as invaluable in battles as the former category.


I totally get what you're saying here, but my point is that a system is only balanced when you can have different character builds that are more or less equally effective.

Otherwise, everyone would tend towards making the same kind of builds because they're the most powerful. That completely defeats the purpose of allowing the players to distribute stat points as per their liking.

Note that the above often happens anyway( to an extent) because the system isn't perfect. The point still stands though.


Coolness :)
I think I've finally understood what you meant, and I hope I've managed to get my point across.

Hm...

You know what I think the communication issue is?

I'm bringing up another RPG system for the purposes of comparison.

In Amber Diceless, there are four stats. Each one covers an area of conflict. Warfare, strength, psyche, and endurance. Each person with a higher stat just wins in that stat.

SHR's system is a bit different. The stats do not handle areas of conflict. They handle a specific power that a character has. Here, areas of conflict are usually determined by several stats, post quality, and agreement among the players. So, who wins a conflict is more fluid.

I might be missing something here, but that's how I see the debate right now. I think Captain England is seeing each stat as a sphere of conflict, and looking at that. A person with a 20 speed is just better than a person with a ten speed. Other people are looking at it differently. It is a person with a 20 power stat, a 50 speed stat, a 15 durability stat, a 5 strength stat, and a 10 stamina stat vs a person with a 50 power stat, 20 speed stat, 15 strength stat, 10 durability stat, and 5 stamina stat. That's probably a lot closer to what we will be seeing, once Cleric lets us buy as we wish after the bo, and these things will become far closer, as every stat is part of the sphere of conflict.

Does this make sense to anyone else, or have I been up too late and been thinking about too many things at once?

[Eternal Torment]

Speaking of speed, did Cleric tell us if superspeed enhances striking power?

[WyldCard4]

Speaking of speed, did Cleric tell us if superspeed enhances striking power?

Strongly implied that it does not, based on recent discussions. Phasing based body part rip may be an exception, but that would be a Maxed Stat power and not a pure result of speed by itself.

[Siriel]

Speaking of speed, did Cleric tell us if superspeed enhances striking power?

He never really said anything on the matter.

But if we look at precedents, it does not.

And given his "Stats do what I said they do, not anything more" stance, it's a fair bet that any increase in damage output would require Strength.

[Eternal Torment]

Strongly implied that it does not, based on recent discussions. Phasing based body part rip may be an exception, but that would be a Maxed Stat power and not a pure result of speed by itself.

He never really said anything on the matter.

But if we look at precedents, it does not.

And given his "Stats do what I said they do, not anything more" stance, it's a fair bet that any increase in damage output would require Strength.

Ah. Then I suppose my NEAR-DEATH ATOMIC BLADES will have to come into play.

[WyldCard4]

Ah. Then I suppose my NEAR-DEATH ATOMIC BLADES will have to come into play.

YOU DO NOT RIP ME OFF!

Got it. I get the awesome blade speedster. You get, um, something else.

[Sub-Zero MKA]

I realized that I have no clue where I want to go with Maxana. Guess I'd better get on that.

[Eternal Torment]

YOU DO NOT RIP ME OFF!

Got it. I get the awesome blade speedster. You get, um, something else.

Too bad, I got here first.

[Sion Reaver]

I just know I'm going with the tech/power suit route if possible. Kind of strange given how the character is starting off as, but I chalk it off as development for later.

[WyldCard4]

Too bad, I got here first.

But, but, but...

Well, I'll go to Cleric and get a new power set. One with a scythe, and extra dimensional leylines, and, um, a Vorpal Scythe. Yeah, a Vorpal Scythe, that can cut through anything! But, um, it's not overpowered, because it has a weakness. Yeah, um, it drains Sam's speed really hard every time she uses it. See, I have the best power set ever, now! So there!