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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Torment View Post
    I don't know, but it was certainly a bigger mindbreak than my alternate character idea.

    I think you might have put too much darkness in it.
    There is never too much darkness.

    *Trips trying to find my way out of a pitch black room*

    NEVER!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    Actual reasoning? Ramziel and Alice are the only Titans with a maxed 100 power stat. Alice was my character and I didn't want to bring her up so randomly. Ether sounds closer to psychic than magic. His mix of stats is a bit closer to Ramza than Alice, statistically.



    Alright, so now I know that wasn't what broke you. Was it the random Deathstalker references, some glaring error in her biography I missed, a way of approving the PC, or something else?
    Hm, Ara had 100 magic. And 100 psychic.

    'course, she's like a 420-something point character. And a fusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Torment View Post
    I don't know, but it was certainly a bigger mindbreak than my alternate character idea.

    I think you might have put too much darkness in it.
    What, she wasn't a reboot of a necrophiliac serial killer I made up when I was 15. How is she too dark? She's very, very normal by my standards. She has a decent family life without a trace of incest, has never killed anyone, and her mental health issues barely register compared to other PCs in this thread, much less a Titan.

    I even followed Cleric's standing orders from Codex:

    something vaugly normal/not sociopathic/not Alice
    Hm, my idea of "normal PC with an interesting set of plot hooks and a few interests" may betray more of my own mental health than I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daiyoukai Ramza View Post
    Hm, Ara had 100 magic. And 100 psychic.

    'course, she's like a 420-something point character.
    Ara might be an interesting match, but she has a couple of issues.

    1. She is not an actual PC. She's an NPC "summon" and so is less interesting to rumble on her own, in my opinion.
    2. The main reason I wanted the fight was wondering how Ether Lords matched up with canon 100 point power stat characters. Ara has two of them, so she's a bit of a different issue.
    3. Ara's mechanics are of questionable canon. She has a couple of scores that are impossible for humans. She has a 40 in intelligence, a 40 in fighting skill, a 28 in stamina, and a 28 in agility. I am unsure if this is legal because she is the Angel of Balance. (I am not sure what her actual rank was, she didn't seem to be an Archangel, but she wasn't mentioned as any official Choir.) It could easily be legal because of this and the endgame nature of her appearance, but it could just as easily be that Cleric missed this fact.
    4. As you said, she's well above a normal character. The 404 (checked) character who is a merge of two end game Titans should probably be better than a character who is only very slightly better than an endgame Titan/Dragon. Especially as his stats are fairly balanced. It means he has less holes to exploit, which is good for him, but it also means he's not going to tear away at people much stronger than him. Plus, he lacks max stat abilities. If Owen vs Ara is a serious question there is probably something very wrong with Owens mechanics, or (inclusive or) he has a strange ability that could tear a hole through her, like a Black Hole, Maw, or Nexus Orb kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    Ara might be an interesting match, but she has a couple of issues.

    1. She is not an actual PC. She's an NPC "summon" and so is less interesting to rumble on her own, in my opinion.
    2. The main reason I wanted the fight was wondering how Ether Lords matched up with canon 100 point power stat characters. Ara has two of them, so she's a bit of a different issue.
    3. Ara's mechanics are of questionable canon. She has a couple of scores that are impossible for humans. She has a 40 in intelligence, a 40 in fighting skill, a 28 in stamina, and a 28 in agility. I am unsure if this is legal because she is the Angel of Balance. (I am not sure what her actual rank was, she didn't seem to be an Archangel, but she wasn't mentioned as any official Choir.) It could easily be legal because of this and the endgame nature of her appearance, but it could just as easily be that Cleric missed this fact.
    4. As you said, she's well above a normal character. The 404 (checked) character who is a merge of two end game Titans should probably be better than a character who is only very slightly better than an endgame Titan/Dragon. Especially as his stats are fairly balanced. It means he has less holes to exploit, which is good for him, but it also means he's not going to tear away at people much stronger than him. Plus, he lacks max stat abilities. If Owen vs Ara is a serious question there is probably something very wrong with Owens mechanics, or (inclusive or) he has a strange ability that could tear a hole through her, like a Black Hole, Maw, or Nexus Orb kind of thing.
    ...watch Owen have an automatic black hole nexus maw.

    And her profile claims she's an Archangel.

    But I guess a base Ramziel vs Owen could be an interesting match, depending on what Owen's specific abilities are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daiyoukai Ramza View Post
    ...watch Owen have an automatic black hole nexus maw.
    Oh, you're forgetting a soul jar, Angel Armor, and mass stat shifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    Oh, you're forgetting a soul jar, Angel Armor, and mass stat shifting.
    And a shadow form possession that won't get smacked down by GM fiat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    What, she wasn't a reboot of a necrophiliac serial killer I made up when I was 15. How is she too dark? She's very, very normal by my standards. She has a decent family life without a trace of incest, has never killed anyone, and her mental health issues barely register compared to other PCs in this thread, much less a Titan.

    I even followed Cleric's standing orders from Codex:



    Hm, my idea of "normal PC with an interesting set of plot hooks and a few interests" may betray more of my own mental health than I expected.
    It's... not all that normal.

    But sure, let's go with that.

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    And to address earlier posts....

    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    That would not break that deal at all.

    Then again, I am the writer who once actually thought "Disney Princess Moloch" was a viable character idea.
    Huh. Well, what about her using a giant gavel made of wind? And the gavel is called Frontier Justice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    In a sense.

    On a sidenote, I wonder if Cleric has ignored my character solely because he knows he will not be able to take Marisa seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Torment View Post
    It's... not all that normal.

    But sure, let's go with that.
    So, Cleric's had plenty of chances, and responded to posts involving her, and raised no substantive objections.

    So, I will take the line of dots as a compliment. We have a PC, ladies and gentlemen. We have, The Slasher's Daughter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Torment View Post
    And to address earlier posts....



    Huh. Well, what about her using a giant gavel made of wind? And the gavel is called Frontier Justice?
    Could be fun.
    In a sense.

    On a sidenote, I wonder if Cleric has ignored my character solely because he knows he will not be able to take Marisa seriously?
    This is a GM who let Kekowa get the hero story he needed, took Shamus seriously, let Dee run around, and accepted like six* of the Titans having different incarnations of "I am more than one person."

    *Revya's Julien, Lara's Cerberus, Alice's dropped plot thread, Ramza's Last Regrets, Dory's dissociative identity disorder, and Claude's Yasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    So, Cleric's had plenty of chances, and responded to posts involving her, and raised no substantive objections.

    So, I will take the line of dots as a compliment. We have a PC, ladies and gentlemen. We have, The Slasher's Daughter.
    This may be countered sometime later by Cleric. But if he doesn't mention it again, I do suspect that The Slasher's Daughter may very well be allowed (reluctantly).

    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    Could be fun.
    I think I'll stop there, because I want to save the craziest ideas for later (again, if I go with Marisa).

    Quote Originally Posted by WyldCard4 View Post
    This is a GM who let Kekowa get the hero story he needed, took Shamus seriously, let Dee run around, and accepted like six* of the Titans having different incarnations of "I am more than one person."

    *Revya's Julien, Lara's Cerberus, Alice's dropped plot thread, Ramza's Last Regrets, Dory's dissociative identity disorder, and Claude's Yasu.
    That was back then. It's not impossible that his standards could have changed.

    Perhaps he feels Sloane fits his story better than Marisa. Or maybe it's because your character is a lot crazier by far, and he is stuck on 'why is this happening' mode.

    PMing him would just fill his box with clutter, so I don't really want to do that.

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    I think I've figured out what kind of power I want to eventually give Eisen.

    Question is if it's possible, since I have no idea what Leylines, Ancient Tech and Ether actually does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I think I've figured out what kind of power I want to eventually give Eisen.

    Question is if it's possible, since I have no idea what Leylines, Ancient Tech and Ether actually does.
    I suspect that Ether is using the substance of the universe, but I can't be sure.

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    I've already come up with quite a few powers for Max already, and that's without considering the other, yet to be unlocked stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Torment View Post
    I suspect that Ether is using the substance of the universe, but I can't be sure.
    Sure, I can pretty much guess that stuff - ancient tech would be technology from the old world, leylines presumably having something to do with supernatrural energy flows, etc.

    I was more wondering if they are just different flavor with the same end result or if there are inherent limits and benifits involved. Like, do I need a given stat to perform a given type of action? Are there things ether can do that leylines can't and vice versa. forcing one to pick one depending on the particular ability one desires? That sort of thing.
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