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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake V View Post
    If you haven't picked up an issue since #2, haven't you effectively dropped it?
    Not by choice really but yes I might take a trip to the LCS and put the issues up for store credit. My comic purchases are infrequent atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSuper View Post
    I don't agree with that (especially since evil is remarkably easy to explain, whereas good is much more complex), but he is a great character.
    Whether that's true or not is irrelevant, since Johns' version of Hal is one of the most obnoxiously one-note cliches in the DCU right now. Johns just writes Sinestro better. Unlike Hal, Sinestro has multiple sides to his personality, whereas Hal is actually becoming more silly and one-dimensional as time goes on. Don't misunderstand. Hal is maybe my all time favorite super hero....but Johns writes him really dully to me.

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    Sinestro's the reason I'm buying the Green Lantern title for the first time since Kyle's series ended. While Hal Jordan has the potential to be an interesting and complex character (he's lost his home city to terrorism, gone mad, rebelled against a stagnant and corrupt authority, fought friends and allies in the process, attained power beyond imagining, sacrificed himself to save the world, become the Spectre and experienced life, death, and beyond, and been reborn), he's instead the same old cliche Dudley Do-Right doofus who can't get his act together that he was 50 years ago.

    It's kind of pathetic. But it caters to the aging fanbase that remembers "the good old days", who tend to rail against any change. I'll give Johns credit that he's juggled catering to the old-timers with adding to the mythos (the Rainbow corps, Emerald Twilight, Sinestro regaining a green ring). But because Hal is going to be stuck in a Mad Men era world without the Mad Men quality of writing or complexity, as soon as Sinestro goes so too does my $2.99 a month. I'll still be getting Corps and Guardians though, so I'll have my GL fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finfangfool View Post
    Sinestro's the reason I'm buying the Green Lantern title for the first time since Kyle's series ended. While Hal Jordan has the potential to be an interesting and complex character (he's lost his home city to terrorism, gone mad, rebelled against a stagnant and corrupt authority, fought friends and allies in the process, attained power beyond imagining, sacrificed himself to save the world, become the Spectre and experienced life, death, and beyond, and been reborn), he's instead the same old cliche Dudley Do-Right doofus who can't get his act together that he was 50 years ago.

    It's kind of pathetic. But it caters to the aging fanbase that remembers "the good old days", who tend to rail against any change. I'll give Johns credit that he's juggled catering to the old-timers with adding to the mythos (the Rainbow corps, Emerald Twilight, Sinestro regaining a green ring). But because Hal is going to be stuck in a Mad Men era world without the Mad Men quality of writing or complexity, as soon as Sinestro goes so too does my $2.99 a month. I'll still be getting Corps and Guardians though, so I'll have my GL fix.
    So only "old timers" made Green Lantern a consistently high selling book? No, not really.

    Kyle had no more or less personality than Hal ever did. You're nostalgic about Kyle in the exact same way you accuse Hal fans of being about their favorite. At least admit it. At this point Kyle hasn't been the "main" GL for a long time, so it is really the Kyle fans who are clinging on the past, and missing the 90s.
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    You know, I am one of those who often point to Hal being a somewhat boring character, whereas Kyle is the more dynamic Green Lantern that I would rather see, but after reading destro's comment, I think that I may just be guilty as well as feeli nostalgic for Kyle, since he was the green lantern that I spent my childhood with. Interesting. Thanks for making me see things differently.

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    I too feel that Kyle is not all that complex either, especially in the modern story arcs... Now back in the good ol days when his girlfriend was getting shoved into refrigerators, well he was a little more interesting as far as his morale and emotional battles.

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    Nice try psychoanalyzing destro, but my favorite GL is and always has been Guy Gardner. Am I nostalgic for Giffen era Gardner? Of course, but I'll take what I can get. Kyle wasn't very complicated, but he at least had the artist thing going for him, his struggles to find legitimacy and interact with Hal's peers and friends (Morrison's run having him clash and eventually bond with Wally comes to mind), and his interaction with Alan Scott, his daughter (of course), and that section of the Green Lantern mythos. He hasn't evolved much since then, and if he's the same guy in 30 years that he was when he was Corps-less (assuming I'm still reading comics and there's a Kyle Rayner or comic books in general in 30 years) I will be just as saddened by Kyle as I currently am by Hal. And chances are he won't have gone through what Hal has, and what the writers ignore to keep Hal in his shiny green bubble.

    PS- it just occured to me that while I've read the postings of many (very vocal) Hal fans, I've never seen any bemoan the lack of follow-up to the things I've listed. Would you really rather see a stale rehash of the character from the early '60s, or would you like to see him explore where he's been (in terms of Emerald Twilight, the Spectre, etc.)? I know it'd be comfortable to sweep everything under the rug so you can have him back, but he is back and has been for awhile. No reason not to use his history to make him a deeper character (and since GL and Bat-mythos preboot are still canon there's no reason not to). And again, I'm not a Hal hater at all. I just think so much more could be done with the character.
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    They've gone over the Parallax thing a bunch of times now. I feel like it's time to move on. As for the Spectre, I doubt that's even still in continuity...it was a pretty dumb, ill-fitting chapter in the character's history. It was interesting in a way, but, really, it was just mixing two things that don't really go together. They touched on it in Blackest Night and I think that's enough.

    As for Hal not changing that much, I disagree. He's changed and evolved as much as any mainstream comic hero. That just doesn't come across as valid criticism to me, considering the genre. The vast majority of comic heroes tend to stay the same at their core. I mean, Steve Rogers is still largely the same guy I read about as a kid, as is Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Ollie Queen, Tony Stark, Thor, etc. Hell, Kyle Rayner is still pretty much the same guy he was back then. He's less of a rookie, but he's essentially the same person. The only GL who had serious changes to them over the years was John Stewart and I think that's largely because he's a second-tier character that DC editorial let their writers be more radical with.

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    Well I'm only interested in John Stewart, though if he even is in this comic series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiery Knight View Post
    Well I'm only interested in John Stewart, though if he even is in this comic series.
    I like that the green lantern corps is really following John right now. The next few issues should be pretty interesting. Speaking of which, has it been brought to the attention of the other GLC members that John destroyed Mogo? I do not remember.

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    It has been, but it hasn't been mentioned since. Andit seems like they're deciding to just rehash that idea again, pretty much immediately in GLC. I kinda wish writers could do more with John than having him be the hardass military guy that kills his own teammates when he has to.

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    My patience is about done. At this point, I want Sinestro as dead as Uncle Ben he's so boring!
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    Hopefully for a long time he more interesting than Hal Jordan by a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpideyCzar View Post
    Hopefully for a long time he more interesting than Hal Jordan by a lot.
    Hal Jordan is a great space cop! Although he doesn't have much of a personal life...

    Why is Hal Jordan in a relationship with Carol now? It goes against everything his character believes in

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    Hm. I can see this going on for quite a while if this ends up being popular. Overall though, Hal is the main hero of the Green Lantern books. My guess is either it'll be a staple of this reboot or it'll be over after the whole "Third Army" business gets wrapped up. I'm leaning more towards the end of the Third Army because it seems, based on what little we know, to be a good way to find a place to have Sinestro leave.

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