Should Jean Grey's pedestal be smashed down like Xavier's was?

[motherofpearl1]

Why not? They've just about assassinated the characters of everyone else.

[MartinRedmond]

You're missing the point. Everyone knows Emma used to be a villain..but nobody cares anymore. People have moved on.

So when are people going to finally move on from Dark Phoenix Saga? Everyone moves on for any trashy character but with Jean, they're stuck on her case for ever.

[MartinRedmond]

Exactly. Emma and the Inner circle's involvement was mainly circunstantial. It was Mastermind's baby all along, he was the one that picked Jean and presented her as a commodity, if not her, they would've focus on some other mutant asset.

It's not like Mastermind's in the X-Men, fought alongside Jean and started dating Scott. There's no real reason to hold on to any of that since it's all already been dealt with. Emma has more of a bad history with Kitty and the New Mutants than her.

She's still legally and morally accountable for getting Jean drugged so that the HFC could "rape" her and set the Phoenix free. You don't get out of jail because "you've turned a new leaf". Her change is as stupid as Magneto being able to fly a plane in and out of the USA. Good characters get victimized 100% and the trashy characters get one gapping bullshit plot hole to help them along one after the other.

[xhx23x]

Sure, she was responsible for getting Jean drugged so the HFC could rape her, but Emma's totally turned a new leaf, so she's no longer morally or legally accountable for any of her actions. In fact, let's make her co headmaster of a school full of little girls. 9__9

Whether she did supply the means, it was still Mastermind who pulled it off, it was his idea. I'm not absolving Emma of anything, I'm just saying in the character themselves got over it and everyone's moved on.

[Phoenix Egg]

When in character, Emma is a shallow, selfish woman looking for power and control...and with the X-Men, redemption.

She helped hurt Jean to get what she wants.


Her going good should never have been this 100% heel-turn to crying-ass bleeding heart, stripper with a heart of gold.

In my canon, she's with the X-Men as a continuing process toward reform, but the goody-goody, hopelessly in love, you're never alone ever shit is whack.

She's doing good work, but it's about her own personal goal of getting away from murdering horses.

That's why I root for Namor. They're two sides of the same somewhat good-guy coin.

Blonde says snarky thing = Emma fans happy. Character moment complete....for them.


Then they come talk about how boring Jean is.



It's hilarious.

[Optic Rage]

If that is true... Why then (whether pro or con) are there a Zillion threads about Jean Grey?

What has that got to do with anything i actually said? Is it too hard to ask for normal rational discussion?

Why not? They've just about assassinated the characters of everyone else.

No they haven't. The characters have just evolved, some for worse, some for better. As will always be the way with comic book characters. It's a cycle.

So when are people going to finally move on from Dark Phoenix Saga? Everyone moves on for any trashy character but with Jean, they're stuck on her case for ever.

People haven't moved on from the Dark Phoenix Saga? Really? I can't even remember the last time i saw a related thread to that on here. Generally, people have moved on from it, only the obsessive Jean fans, the pressed Emma fans bitebacking and people trying to troll the obsessive Jean fans ever mention it.

In my canon, she's with the X-Men as a continuing process toward reform, but the goody-goody, hopelessly in love, you're never alone ever shit is whack.


Blonde says snarky thing = Emma fans happy. Character moment complete....for them.


Then they come talk about how boring Jean is.



It's hilarious.

Again with the hanging on to Fraction's run. How many years until you let that go? If ever? When was the last time Emma actually said something overly sentimental or sickeningly ooc like ''you're never alone''? I'd swear that deep down you secretly love Fraction's version of the character as you never stop bringing her up.

Gillen is doing a good job with her characterization. And again, projecting that Emma fans are happy and content with snappy one liners is good characterization is such obvious axe grinding i can't even. Has anyone ever actually said that?

Why are comic book fans so angry????

[Slant]

There are a lot of people on these boards who engage in intense relational aggression against Jean (e.g., fat, slut, old, etc). They seem to get very into imaging sexually degrading acts that Jean could have engaged in. It's very weird, but as long as they continue to win multiple XPOTM awards, I guess it's fair to say the behavior is rewarded.

Not so subtle.

[Degenerate10]

I think yes just to have a shake up in things

[ExodusCloak]

When in character, Emma is a shallow, selfish woman looking for power and control...and with the X-Men, redemption.

She helped hurt Jean to get what she wants.


Her going good should never have been this 100% heel-turn to crying-ass bleeding heart, stripper with a heart of gold.

In my canon, she's with the X-Men as a continuing process toward reform, but the goody-goody, hopelessly in love, you're never alone ever shit is whack.

She's doing good work, but it's about her own personal goal of getting away from murdering horses.

That's why I root for Namor. They're two sides of the same somewhat good-guy coin.

Blonde says snarky thing = Emma fans happy. Character moment complete....for them.


Then they come talk about how boring Jean is.



It's hilarious.

There's actually an issue where Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Cyclops and every other single X-Men attended a BBQ in the 90's...nothing was said. Or if it was, it was said off panel. All of this should have been addressed in Gen X not now, they had years to address it in Gen X. Makes no sense. Heck Xavier and Emma was sipping tea together in their PJ's.

[jarrod]

Not so subtle.

He's trying hard as he can. I applaud the effort!

[Waterlily]

yes, and they should start with that offensive statue on the front lawn. jean died a woman and a hero. yet she's honored in death as a little girl.

And you can see right up that statue's skirt.

[MartinRedmond]

Whether she did supply the means, it was still Mastermind who pulled it off, it was his idea. I'm not absolving Emma of anything, I'm just saying in the character themselves got over it and everyone's moved on.

Of course everyone's moved on. She's a trashy character fantasy so everyone magically forgives her for no reason at all.

[Talisman]

I want Weezie writing her again. She wrote the best Jean, imo.

[Talisman]

Whether she did supply the means, it was still Mastermind who pulled it off, it was his idea. I'm not absolving Emma of anything, I'm just saying in the character themselves got over it and everyone's moved on.

That was the least of her past transgressions. You should read some of the classic Hellfire Club arcs, she was a particularly nasty bitch.

[xhx23x]

That was the least of her past transgressions. You should read some of the classic Hellfire Club arcs, she was a particularly nasty bitch.

I have, and her past trangressions aren't even part of the discussion. In fact, it's really troublesome that a thread that is supposed to be about Jean's character is somehow derailed into Emma's past for no real reason than someone just mentioning the Dark Phoenix Arc.