Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates #8 Review & Spoilers

[Wolverine12]

Yea :/

Multiple Man isn't alive? is it?

He's listed as dead but we saw him recently in UCXM working for Quicksilver. It was in a flashback, but the flashback had to be after Ultimatum since they were building a product because of Magneto's attack.

[Drz]

Why on earth is the Cover effecting the review rating? Not to mention it would be 7.6, that becomes a 8.0 not a 7. I just don't see why something like a cover should effect the reviewer's final rating. Anyhow it was well thought out and written.

This issue was wonderful, the Tian stuff, the Thor & Stark build up, Spider-Woman being funny and Reed+Hulk stuff was just sweetness. I just can't wrap my head what happens in #9? Will Reed use Hulk as a human shield, thus empowering the Hulk to become stronger than ever before? Will the City simply absorb the Nuke? Will Zorn absorb it?

[MrV]

Why on earth is the Cover effecting the review rating? Not to mention it would be 7.6, that becomes a 8.0 not a 7. I just don't see why something like a cover should effect the reviewer's final rating. Anyhow it was well thought out and written.

Yes, when I did the average it came out as 7.6 too. By personal preference I went for whole numbers instead of decimals. My rounding was still off, but it doesn't matter.

My grading scale:

1 ♥ = 1-2 points
2 ♥ = 3-4 points
3 ♥ = 5-6 points
4 ♥ = 7-8 points (my grade for this issue)
5 ♥ = 9-10 points

It doesn't matter because it would have still been 4 ♥, had I rounded to 8 or not.

To me the cover also counts as artwork within the issue as a whole. Hence "cover art" and "interior art." If the overall art of the issue is rated, I would rate both separately and then add them when averaging out the final score. The cover art was poor as usual with the relaunch covers, and remember this review is mainly MY OPINION. This is why I recommend you read at least three reviews by different people; every reviewer has a different bias and reading three of these gives you a better understanding.

IMO the covers by Kaare Andrews are inferior to the interior art and subtract from the quality of the overall product. My enjoyment of a comic book is affected by story, interior art, and cover art (the cover is what I look at most after bagging my comics).

Any more questions?

[robcastor729]

Yes, when I did the average it came out as 7.6 too. By personal preference I went for whole numbers instead of decimals. My rounding was still off, but it doesn't matter.

My grading scale:

1 ♥ = 1-2 points
2 ♥ = 3-4 points
3 ♥ = 5-6 points
4 ♥ = 7-8 points (my grade for this issue)
5 ♥ = 9-10 points

It doesn't matter because it would have still been 4 ♥, had I rounded to 8 or not.

To me the cover also counts as artwork within the issue as a whole. Hence "cover art" and "interior art." If the overall art of the issue is rated, I would rate both separately and then add them when averaging out the final score. The cover art was poor as usual with the relaunch covers, and remember this review is mainly MY OPINION. This is why I recommend you read at least three reviews by different people; every reviewer has a different bias and reading three of these gives you a better understanding.

IMO the covers by Kaare Andrews are inferior to the interior art and subtract from the quality of the overall product. My enjoyment of a comic book is affected by story, interior art, and cover art (the cover is what I look at most after bagging my comics).

Great job. Don't change. I liked your thoughts option on this

[jphamlore]

Here's my pet peeve, people who only post to suppress discussion but say nothing about obvious errors distorting what is written in the actual book.

Zorn and the Eternals are NOT being depicted as going to the City, for the moment. They are going to meet the Children's expeditionary force that is minutes if not seconds from arriving at Tian half a world away. They are going to be nowhere near the nukes that may or may not be impacting the City. Even if Zorn and the Eternals were to slaughter every single one of the expeditionary force there will be multitudes of the Children left, assuming they don't get nuked out of existence.

Xorn: "These animals will not make it to Tian." Then the next panel shows Zorn and the Eternals just leaving the floating cities to go into battle against the Children's expeditionary force.

If posters are referring to future solicitations or other spoilers that show the People actually attacking the City then say so, possibly with additional spoiler protection.

[Drz]

MrV i disagree with each writer having a bias, it's a wrong word to use here. Also if you have a rating system like that, just go with the hearts and avoid the numbers. Good job, you should do the Ultimate Spider-Man reviews.

[wyokid]

IMO the covers by Kaare Andrews are inferior to the interior art and subtract from the quality of the overall product. My enjoyment of a comic book is affected by story, interior art, and cover art (the cover is what I look at most after bagging my comics).

Any more questions?

What is it about this cover that is bad? IMO this is one of his better ones. Just curious

[MrV]

MrV i disagree with each writer having a bias, it's a wrong word to use here. Also if you have a rating system like that, just go with the hearts and avoid the numbers. Good job, you should do the Ultimate Spider-Man reviews.

Reviewers and writers do have biases, everyone does. It is part of how individual opinions are regurgitated. Look at movie critics, some will comment favorably on the acting and others on the special effects.

Well it seems Wyokid your out of the Job. I don't really care who does the review so long as the discussion thread is made early on. Half the posts made about Ultimates 8 was in the preview thread without spoilers. Whoever writes the review makes the discussion thread first then edits there post to include the review when they are done. Fair enough.

Never thought of that. They could also patiently wait for the reviewer. IGN usually posts its reviews the day after the comic came out. People should realize some do have a life outside the forums, some do have real responsibilities, go to school and don't have the luxury of being on CBR all day long.

EDIT: Also, wyokid can still post his own review if he pleases. Heck, he can do it in this thread, I won't mind at all.

[Drz]

Reviewers and writers do have biases, everyone does. It is part of how individual opinions are regurgitated. Look at movie critics, some will comment favorably on the acting and others on the special effects.

But what reviewers do we care for? The top critics? Random blogger? Some guy from a Media entertainment site? A well written review looks at the movie/comic as it's own thing and judges what that single thing offers, not what others offer.

[sage6paths]

Reviewers and writers do have biases, everyone does. It is part of how individual opinions are regurgitated. Look at movie critics, some will comment favorably on the acting and others on the special effects.



Never thought of that. They could also patiently wait for the reviewer. IGN usually posts its reviews the day after the comic came out. People should realize some do have a life outside the forums, some do have real responsibilities, go to school and don't have the luxury of being on CBR all day long.

EDIT: Also, wyokid can still post his own review if he pleases. Heck, he can do it in this thread, I won't mind at all.

I was just joking about Wyokid. He can do it for all I care. He is usually on time anyways. Most Ultimate Comics you can get early in the day from Comixcology. But if we dont have a discussion thread and people post spoilers in the preview of course people are going to get mad.

[MrV]

But what reviewers do we care for? The top critics? Random blogger? Some guy from a Media entertainment site? A well written review looks at the movie/comic as it's own thing and judges what that single thing offers, not what others offer.

I don't get where you're going. A bias can be on the thing itself, without external influences.

If I try out a mop from brand X and it doesn't do its job well, my review will detail personal experience, and my bias against purchasing any more mops from that brand will be based on that.

[Havok C.]

I wont say I know much about presidential powers, but would he really have the power to launch every single nuke possible to hit one location even if he has the joint chiefs behind him?

A little disappointed that we didn't get to see Reed vs the Hulk as I'm sure it would have been an amazing duel, but it makes sense for Reed's character. He wants to put the rest of the world in a strangle-hold before he finally finishes them off. At this point he's too smart to just try to beat the shit out of someone as unstoppable as the Hulk (a fight I'm not sure Reed could win one vs. one). To him, it will be much more enjoyable to turn SHIELD's and the Ultimate's supposed last resort or ace in the hole against them. I hope though that we do see an incredible batter between the Children and the People.

[Sparrowsabre7]

To me the cover also counts as artwork within the issue as a whole. Hence "cover art" and "interior art." If the overall art of the issue is rated, I would rate both separately and then add them when averaging out the final score. The cover art was poor as usual with the relaunch covers, and remember this review is mainly MY OPINION. This is why I recommend you read at least three reviews by different people; every reviewer has a different bias and reading three of these gives you a better understanding.

IMO the covers by Kaare Andrews are inferior to the interior art and subtract from the quality of the overall product. My enjoyment of a comic book is affected by story, interior art, and cover art (the cover is what I look at most after bagging my comics).

Any more questions?

Not sure I agree with that. I mean cover art is an unfair determinant of quality of a comic, especially when it's a different artist. I freakin' love Adi Granov's work but he only did covers for the arc that followed Iron Man Extremis. If I had taken the covers into account it would have adversely affected the very good (albeit not quite Granov quality) internal art. Also true of Lenil Yu's covers for Ultimate Avengers 3, in which case the cover art would have raised an incredibly low score for the art because I really don't like Steve Dillon's work. I would definitely advocate a separate cover/interior score rather than an overall "art" score, I mean that's quite literally judging a book by its cover =P

Side note R.E.Kaare; I've liked pretty much all of his covers so far, the Iron Man and Thor ones in particular are stand-outs IMO, I think the only one that I hated was that dumb-looking Colossus which was ugly as sin, made him look like a rubbish version of the T-1000 with a stupid expression on his face.

[majcvd49]

Anyone else find it funny that in a comic when someone is being knocked out they still give out that long exagerrated "Ohhhhhhhhhhh" noise as they go down like in the Spider Woman/Captain Britain sequence? haha I dont know, just struck me as a bit old school.

[MrV]

Anyone else find it funny that in a comic when someone is being knocked out they still give out that long exagerrated "Ohhhhhhhhhhh" noise as they go down like in the Spider Woman/Captain Britain sequence? haha I dont know, just struck me as a bit old school.

It was weird. I thought when people were knocked out they couldn't make noises.