SHE HAS NO HEAD: Is the Destruction of the Amazons the Destruction of Feminism at DC

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Where did this happen and where can i buy a machine gun?

Doom Con in Perth.

So you're jumping to the "sexist" conclusion for the "majority" of 25-50,000 fans +/- (if we only include those that read the comics) based off the comments of how many folks?

Not really. you take the fact that its what the majority of the WW fandom here are saying (we have hundreds of threads with the same flavour of sillyness), combine it with the silly fandom over at DCWKA, combine it with what actual WW fangirls are saying & you get a pretty good picture of a predominate trend amongst the fandom.

Don't like how WW fandom is viewed, stop acting in the way that gets your fandom viewed like that. First step, all of you need to stop going on about a WW movie: Its not happening. Second step, stop going on about male involvement in the story, there is nothing wrong with male involvement in the story.

Those two steps alone would go a long way to making people want to strangle the entire fandom less.

In other news, did anyone notice that NU WW dropped down to position 25 on this months sales table?

EDIT: An just as an FYI. My opinions about the WW fandom cannot be sexist, since Wonder Woman Fandom is not a gender. But the fact that you added in the word Sexist is exactly what i mean about the WW fandom. Anyone ever says anything negative about WW or her fandom & suddenly its sexism. It is NOT sexism.

[americanwonder]

Not really. you take the fact that its what the majority of the WW fandom here are saying (we have hundreds of threads with the same flavour of sillyness), combine it with the silly fandom over at DCWKA, combine it with what actual WW fangirls are saying & you get a pretty good picture of a predominate trend amongst the fandom.

I think it's more a "predominate trend" by some (have we even taken a poll from fans here?) who happen to post online. A very small, though vocal, portion of fans. Hardly grounds for judging everyone.

EDIT: An just as an FYI. My opinions about the WW fandom cannot be sexist, since Wonder Woman Fandom is not a gender. But the fact that you added in the word Sexist is exactly what i mean about the WW fandom. Anyone ever says anything negative about WW & suddenly its sexism. WW is not ALL women.

Where did I add in the word sexism?

[kelly_warrior_princess]

I think it's more a "predominate trend" by some (have we even taken a poll from fans here?) who happen to post online. A very small, though vocal, portion of fans. Hardly grounds for judging everyone.

Excpet i don't think its a small section of the fandom at all. Every other commentor in the WW section of the boards seem to make those kinds of statements. An as far as i'm concerned those people who stand by and don't correect them are as implicit in the statement as those making it.

Where did I add in the word sexism?

Right here

So you're jumping to the "sexist" conclusion for the "majority" of 25-50,000 fans +/- (if we only include those that read the comics) based off the comments of how many folks?

WW fandom, is not a gender.

[coveredinbees]

He was talking about you calling them sexist, not saying your opinion was sexist.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

He was talking about you calling them sexist, not saying your opinion was sexist.

LOL, my bad.

[SteveGus]

Excpet i don't think its a small section of the fandom at all. Every other commentor in the WW section of the boards seem to make those kinds of statements. An as far as i'm concerned those people who stand by and don't correect them are as implicit in the statement as those making it.

It remains my opinion that there are quite a few valid objections to the current story line that have everything to do with Wonder Woman as a comic book character and little to nothing to do with feminism or any other sort of politics.

I'd even agree that some people couch their objections in socio-political terms because they believe that this line of reasoning adds stature to their objections as comic readers; objection to the mistreatment of a seventy year old iconic character seems silly unless they can link it to some kind of wider cause with "real world" impact, as if the Wonder Woman comic were not part of the real world. They may be seeking allies; calling attention to the plight of a character of Wonder Woman's history and familiarity is not a bad thing, either. Finally, you have to admit they have a point: Wonder Woman is in fact a feminist symbol, and the most familiar female superhero. She and her Amazons a symbol of female solidarity and power, only that's been taken away from her for the moment. I don't see how it's reasonable to deny that.

I have a strong negative opinion of Azzarello's run. I think he's vandalizing the character and her backstory. He's taken away the army that fought Apokalips to a standstill on several occasions. He's removed the people who addressed the United Nations, took in Harbinger, trained Supergirl, attacked Imperiex, and for better or for worse, successfully invaded the United States. Speaking strictly as a comic book reader, that's a whole lot of NuDC story hooks that have gone missing. This is damage. He's taken a piece of the DC universe and is wrecking it.

[Dr. Hurt]

He's taken away the army that fought Apokalips to a standstill on several occasions.

Wait... what? Not even the entire GL Corps can take on Apocolips.

He's removed the people who addressed the United Nations, took in Harbinger, trained Supergirl, attacked Imperiex, and for better or for worse, successfully invaded the United States. Speaking strictly as a comic book reader, that's a whole lot of NuDC story hooks that have gone missing. This is damage. He's taken a piece of the DC universe and is wrecking it.

That doesnt make them good or interesting characters.

[coveredinbees]

I thought they were good or interesting.

[SteveGus]

Wait... what? Not even the entire GL Corps can take on Apocolips.

Still, they have. Vol. 2 nos. 100-105, the beginning of Byrne's run. In Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and the Amazon army beat back an army of Doomsday clones summoned from Apocalips. None of this is currently possible. Damage.

[Dr. Hurt]

Still, they have. Vol. 2 nos. 100-105, the beginning of Byrne's run.

Well i havent read this but that's obviously wrong on so many levels. Like i said, the entire GL corps fought Apocolips and lost badly.

In Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and the Amazon army beat back an army of Doomsday clones summoned from Apocalips.

I read that and aside from being a horrible story, those clones were bad and nowhere near the original Doomsday's level. Superman just fried them all with one big blast of his eye beams.

None of this is currently possible. Damage.

I dont value characters based on who they beat. The Amazons are very interesting to me now, and that makes them much better than what they were before, whether they beat Apocolips or not.

[coveredinbees]

don't 4get when they poisoned darkseid w/ L O V E

[SteveGus]

don't 4get when they poisoned darkseid w/ L O V E

Yep. That too.

[Outside_85]

don't 4get when they poisoned darkseid w/ L O V E

Raven transported a piece of Diana's soul into Darkseid without his notice.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Raven transported a piece of Diana's soul into Darkseid without his notice.

That almost explains final crisis doesn't it.

[EricAD]

Wait... what? Not even the entire GL Corps can take on Apocolips.

Well, it wasn't exactly "The Amazons VS Apokolips" --more like, Darkseid invaded Themyscira with an army of Para Demons, and the Amazons gave as good as they got. But half the Amazon nation was killed in the attack. But the entirety of Darkseid's forces did not invade the island.